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Topic: Towne Mall sold
Posted By: 409
Subject: Towne Mall sold
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 9:31am
According to an article in the MJ, Towne Mall is being sold to a group of California investors.
The contract is expected to be signed today.



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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 10:12am
Finally posted online. From MJ.
Sale of Towne Mall ‘a done deal’
By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/ - Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

The Towne Mall, once deemed “a dead mall,” is expected to be sold today to a group of California investors who plan to make major renovations and bring in new tenants.

Trisha Hale, mall secretary under CBL & Associates of Chattanooga, Tenn., which owns the mall, said several investors toured the shopping center recently and they returned to the mall Thursday, finalizing paperwork. They are expected to sign the contract to purchase the mall today, she said.

She called it “a done deal.”

Hale said the investors — “just regular guys,” she said — formed a corporation, SA Mary Ohio, LLC, on Thursday. She didn’t know how much the mall sold for and Dr. George Bishay, a veterinarian and one of the investors, refused to release the sale price.

Dr. Bishay said the investment group saw “very strong potential” in the mall, which opened in 1977.

He expects the group to bring in new tenants because there’s “a lot of interest” from retailers. They will meet with potential tenants and select the “best group,” he said.

Hale expects the group to “spend lots of money” making major renovations to the 465,451-square-foot mall because it’s located on the East End near Interstate 75. She said the group has met with engineers to discuss possible improvements. She believes the sale will be for all the mall businesses, excluding out lots PNC Bank and KFC, which were previously sold, and Cincinnati Bell, which is being retained by CBL.

It’s unclear whether the group will change the name of the mall, she said.

Towne Mall is the city’s “front door” and Middletown Economic Development Director Denise Hamet said after the renovations are made, “it’s going to look sharp.”

“We have a new owner that’s very vested in this project,” she said. “They’re ready to do what it takes to make this mall a very vital part of the city.”

Hamet said while CBL has done its best with the mall property, she said it was one of multiple properties the company owned.

“You have to have people that this is their front and center project, and that’s important,” Hamet said.

Recently, when many of the retailers, including Dillard’s pulled out of the mall, there had been hope that the mall would be sold or redeveloped, said Bill Triick, president and CEO of the Chamber Serving Middletown, Monroe and Trenton.

“I’m very pleased to hear this,” he said when told the mall was sold. “This changes the whole thing out there.”

Triick said the investment group will want to fill the mall, which he called “underutilized” for years. On Thursday, of the 52 available retail spaces available for rent, 18 were occupied, and several of those were closed. Around 5 p.m., there were less than 30 cars in the parking lot and there were no customers in most of the stores.

Hale said the occupancy rate was about 25 percent, and she expects it to be at near 100 percent once the new investment group makes the necessary improvements.

Triick said the deal is “proof” the worst of the effects caused by the 2008 recession is over and Middletown’s economy specifically is “turning the corner and brighter days are coming. You have people that are confident enough to make major investment in this area. They know what the economy is locally that it’s coming back. People (making major investments) don’t spend their money carelessly. They had choices going somewhere else, and they decide they’re going to do it right here. It’s encouraging.”

Mayor Larry Mulligan said this is “good news.”

“It’s a good indicator that things are happening, and a change in ownership is probably a good thing,” Mulligan said.

Mulligan said it has been a challenging location, especially with all the other business activity that’s gone on around the mall, including Kroger, Walmart and the restaurants.

State Rep. Pete Beck, R-Mason, who represents the Warren County portion of the city, said the potential of a reinvigorated Towne Mall “will add some new life.”

“It’s huge for jobs, it’s huge for the entire area,” Beck said. “I think it’s tremendous. The mayor and all of city council with economic development team, they work very, very hard, and they have a methodical plan to reinvent and reintroduce Middletown to the region and the country.”

Several of the merchants said there were rumors circulating that the mall was going to be sold. But when told the sale was pending, many of them sounded relieved.

“We need them to come in here and give this place a face lift,” said a retailer, who wanted to remain anonymous. He said sales in September in his stores were an all-time low.

Tosha Wolf and her son, Wyatt, of Madison Twp., visited the Towne Mall Thursday for an eye doctor appointment. Wolf called the Towne Mall “a waste of space,” and said it’s widely “known there’s nothing in there.” She shops at the Dayton Mall, she said.

“This is a retired or ex-mall,” she said before getting in her car.

Towne Mall was been deemed a “dead mall” in 2008 by Green Street Advisers Inc. that was featured in the Wall Street Journal. It cited the mall’s sales of $207 per square foot as why it made the dreaded list. Anything less than $250 per square foot annually is a danger zone for a shopping center’s failure. The U.S. average is $381 in sales per square foot, according to the five-year-old report.

CBL had planned in 2007 for a proposed $25.8 million renovation to redevelop the mall. The project, which was named “Middletown Village,” would have created 225 new jobs and added $4.7 million to the payroll.

But “Middletown Village” hinged on help from the city and county in the tune of $6 million in incentives. However, financial issues, and the lack of county incentives – $6 million in tax breaks and other incentives were denied by Warren County – the proposed open-air concept was halted.


The Towne Mall file

Owner: CBL & Associates of Chattanooga, Tennessee

Prospective buyer: SA Mary Ohio, LLC

Address: 3461 Towne Blvd.

Built: 1976

Opened: 1977

Stores: 18 of 52 available locations (not including out lots)

2007 sales: $45 million*

Dimensions: 465,451 square feet with a 1,736-foot perimeter on 13.67 acres

Current value: $2.6 million appraised value, $931,570 assessed value**

2011 Taxes paid: $81,087.86

*Last known sales figure reported to the Middletown Journal

**Current values as of Jan. 1, 2012

Sources: Warren County Auditor’s Office

By the numbers

Here is a look at the property valuation for Towne Mall over the years:

2006: Appraised value - $10.34 million; assessed value - $3.62 million

2007: Appraised value - $10.36 million; assessed value - $3.63 million

2008: Appraised value - $10.36 million; assessed value - $3.63 million

2009: Appraised value - $5.99 million; assessed value - $2.1 million

2010: Appraised value - $4.61 million; assessed value - $1.61 million

2011: Appraised value - $3.67 million; assessed value - $1.28 million

2012: Appraised value - $2.66 million; assessed value - $931,570

Source: Warren County Auditor’s Office



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 11:05am
Perhaps this new group from California will provide an example for the people who are trying to re-establish the downtown area on how to attract viable business that will actually appeal to a majority of the community.

"Towne Mall is the city’s “front door” and Middletown Economic Development Director Denise Hamet said after the renovations are made, “it’s going to look sharp.”

IF YOU WILL ADMIT THIS HAMET, WHY ON EARTH HAVEN'T YOU MADE A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT IN THIS AREA? THE "FRONT DOOR" DESIGNATION SOUNDS LIKE A HIGH PRIORITY TO ME.

Mayor Larry Mulligan said this is “good news.”

“It’s a good indicator that things are happening, and a change in ownership is probably a good thing,” Mulligan said.

Mulligan said it has been a challenging location, especially with all the other business activity that’s gone on around the mall, including Kroger, Walmart and the restaurants.

CHALLENGING LOCATION? REALLY? AS OPPOSED TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS HAVE GONE? NO, LAWRENCE, THE TOWNE MALL IS INFINITELY MORE APPEALING THAN YOUR DOWNTOWN LOCATION. HIGHER TRAFFIC VISIBILITY, MORE CHOICES IN THE AREA, AND CERTAINLY EASIER TO GET TO. YOUR STATEMENT MAKES NO SENSE. KROGER, WAL-MART AND THE RESTAURANTS WOULD MAKE IT LESS CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP THAN YOUR DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? YOU AND OTHER CITY LEADERS HAVE JUST FLAT OUT DROPPED THE BALL ON EFFORT TOWARD PROMOTING ACTIVITY OUT OF THIS LOCATION, THAT'S ALL. ADMIT IT, YOUR FOCUS LATELY HAS BEEN ON DOWNTOWN, NOT OUT EAST.

THIS IS ENCOURAGING BASED ON THE POOR OCCUPANCY IN THE PAST.


Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 11:30am
I hope this works out, it would be nice not having to drive to the Dayton or Tri-County Mall's to go shopping. Now if the city could attract a Sam's Club or a Costco, they could put that at the old K-Mart location.


Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 5:46pm

Dang it there went the cities plans for tearing down the towne mall and building a doggie park in that " challenging location" wonder how much the dowtown crowd will opose anything these people try to do.



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by Bocephus Bocephus wrote:

Dang it there went the cities plans for tearing down the towne mall and building a doggie park in that " challenging location" wonder how much the dowtown crowd will opose anything these people try to do.



Not to worry BO.....plenty of locations and wide-open spaces for a doggie park.....the former Roosevelt school grounds on Central. The former Sunset Pool area......the former Sorg Paper site.....the former Swallens/Parking garage area......the former ball diamonds at Smith Park- whoops, that's for soccer. Many empty lots in the downtown area formerly occupied by some business. The former Armco General Office complex. The former....you get the idea.... Yep, the town is developing plenty of wide open spaces for the citizens to go to and.......enjoy the wide open spaces I guess.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 7:25pm
Quick!! Tie Up And Gag Marty Kohler!! LOL
 
PacmanCool


Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 10:12pm
Does anyone know why the LLC for this California buyer group is someone that lives in West Chester?


Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Oct 12 2012 at 10:18pm
Looks like most of the wide open spaces around middletown are between the ears of city council and the other city officials lots of empty spaces there. LOL


Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 11:06am
My "vision" for this new buyer is turning the mall into an indoor flea market. Get ready for a covered Trader's World.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 13 2012 at 8:17pm
Stanky,

You may have something there.  All this hush, hush about the price, basically no plans of any kind, and I also noticed today that the Elder Beirman has basically renamed their store to the Elder Beirman Clearance Center. I'm beginning to think something sounds a little iffy.

I also seem to remember that when the mall was to  be redeveloped last time, the job # was about 800, this time it's around 250.  Now I do not know if we are talking about mall employees only this time or total Store and mall employee,  But I'm sure the 800 number was for both.

PacmanCool


Posted By: DustinHurley
Date Posted: Oct 15 2012 at 9:30am

While I have no source to verify this information, a City official once gave me a little insight into the challenge of redeveloping the mall location. As I understand, the existing owner only owns the common areas and the parking lot. The "anchor" locations are owned independently. Part of the challenge has been coordinating the various owners to agree on one plan for redevelopment. Naturally, an investor would be less likely to commit if their plan were going to be subject to the other owners' consent.

Further, I understand the current owner of the common areas acquired the asset at a bargain. Apparently, the company has benefited more from using the property as a tax write off, as opposed to trying to increase tenant occupancy. There are stories of potential tenants having strong interest in renting a location in the mall, but never receiving returned calls from the mall staff.

I would be interested in learning more about this and whether these allegations are true. If true, this helps explains why progress at the Mall has been delayed, and why City officials have been forced to direct their attention elsewhere.



Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Oct 15 2012 at 10:17am
It's true that at least one anchor (former Dillards/McAlpins) is not owned by CBL as illustrated in the link below:
 
http://www.midlandretail.com/PropertyData/ad6485aa-1563-429b-99b5-27cad38ad45b/Flyer.pdf - http://www.midlandretail.com/PropertyData/ad6485aa-1563-429b-99b5-27cad38ad45b/Flyer.pdf
 
You can see that it's not only the Dillard's retail outlet, but also several areas of the parking lot. 
 
I believe Elder-Beerman and Sears are set up in the same manner. 
 
CBL brought the current state of the mall on itself by opting not to renew leases in hopes of a renovation plan being financed by city and county offiicals. 


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Oct 15 2012 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by swohio75 swohio75 wrote:

It's true that at least one anchor (former Dillards/McAlpins) is not owned by CBL as illustrated in the link below:
 
http://www.midlandretail.com/PropertyData/ad6485aa-1563-429b-99b5-27cad38ad45b/Flyer.pdf - http://www.midlandretail.com/PropertyData/ad6485aa-1563-429b-99b5-27cad38ad45b/Flyer.pdf
 
You can see that it's not only the Dillard's retail outlet, but also several areas of the parking lot. 
 
I believe Elder-Beerman and Sears are set up in the same manner. 
 
CBL brought the current state of the mall on itself by opting not to renew leases in hopes of a renovation plan being financed by city and county offiicals. 
Sears & Elder-Beerman are set up the same way according to the Warren County website.
This is the Towne Mall set up:
http://webmap1.co.warren.oh.us/flexviewer/index.html?config=config-auditor.xml - http://webmap1.co.warren.oh.us/flexviewer/index.html?config=config-auditor.xml
 


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Oct 15 2012 at 2:56pm
WHOOPS...you have to enter the acct # in the search box.....
acct # is 2303537
Sorry about that!


Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Oct 15 2012 at 3:46pm
Hence why redevelopment could have been challenging. 
 
I saw one layout of Dillards that had it shown sub-divided into three smaller store (my guess are 30,000-35,000 square feet each). 
 
Elder-Beerman likely doesnt need all its square footage based on the fact a portion of the store is now a Clearnace Center.  Most never E-B stores are 65,000 to 75,00 square feet.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Oct 30 2012 at 6:17pm
I ran into a local businessman last evening who said that the Town Mall deal may not go through.  According to this usually well informed gentleman, City Hall doesn't like the merchants that the prospective mall owners has lined up to bring in. (My guess is that they must be stores that market analyses say have a chance of succeeding.)
It appears that, once again, City Hall will be the problem, not the solution.


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 30 2012 at 6:58pm
Mike,

Sounds like another flea market for the I75 Jesus Corridor

This would be a BAD Thing!!

PacmanCool


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Oct 30 2012 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

I ran into a local businessman last evening who said that the Town Mall deal may not go through.  According to this usually well informed gentleman, City Hall doesn't like the merchants that the prospective mall owners has lined up to bring in. (My guess is that they must be stores that market analyses say have a chance of succeeding.)
It appears that, once again, City Hall will be the problem, not the solution.
 
Kinda makes ya wonder....would some of the merchants be a threat to the 'Downtowne Arts Mecca'?
Anyone remember where the original Towne Mall was proposed and the city ran them off to protect their downtown enclosed mall? (The triangle roughly bounded by Breiel, Roosevelt, and Grand.) Then the City Centre Mart folded and the city in desperation annexed the present Towne Mall area.  Hmmmm.


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 31 2012 at 6:29am
Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:



I ran into a local businessman last evening who said that the Town Mall deal may not go through.  According to this usually well informed gentleman, City Hall doesn't like the merchants that the prospective mall owners has lined up to bring in. (My guess is that they must be stores that market analyses say have a chance of succeeding.)
It appears that, once again, City Hall will be the problem, not the solution.


Don't understand how the city has any say in what businesses go into a private developers plans. None of their business what occurs inside that mall if it is privately owned, is it? Way too much micromanaging from Kohler, Gilleland and company. Their track record of failure hardly qualifies them to have an opinion concerning anything a private entity wants to do. Keep your nose out of it city leaders. You screw up everything you touch. Just go to work each day, sit in your little offices, shut the door, shut your mouths, drink your coffee, draw your big salaries, make an embarassing video once in a while, go home at 5 and let the private investors build the town on their own.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 31 2012 at 7:06pm
Come on Vet,

you're smarter than that.  The City has a say in all developement.  Where the gas stations go, where the fast food go, where the hotels go, etc, etc.

I seriously doubt the type of stores that a mall generally attracts would be any threat to the downtown area. 

PacmanCool


Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Oct 31 2012 at 7:28pm
What'd I tell ya -- a glorified flea market is on the way.


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 31 2012 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:



Come on Vet,
you're smarter than that.  The City has a say in all developement.  Where the gas stations go, where the fast food go, where the hotels go, etc, etc.I seriously doubt the type of stores that a mall generally attracts would be any threat to the downtown area.  PacmanCool



Rhetorical Pac, rhetorical.


Posted By: digger-2
Date Posted: Oct 31 2012 at 10:31pm
Pacman seems to be an all-knowing fellow?


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Dec 21 2012 at 5:01pm

From MJ:

Towne Mall owners buy former Dillard’s property for $1M

By Chelsey Levingston

MIDDLETOWN —

The new owners of the Towne Mall have bought the adjacent former Dillard’s anchor property for more than $1 million, which the investors say helps them with their development plans and shows their commitment to the project.

Bless Properties LLC, a real estate holding company, bought the Dillard’s store property, 3455 Towne Blvd., in November. The purchase consisted of approximately 8 acres, the building and parking lot for $1.2 million, according to the record of the sale with Warren County Auditor’s Office. The property was last appraised by Warren County for $2.3 million.

Dillard’s closed the department store there in 2008.

Bless Properties is related to the business entity SA Mary Ohio LLC, both of which are owned by the same California-based investment group.

In October, Bless Properties bought for $850,000 the Towne Mall property, 3461 Towne Blvd., according to county auditor records. That property, 13.7 acres and the building, was last appraised for $3.7 million.

“The Dillard’s property, being vacant, prohibited the mall growing and attracting bigger tenants,” said George Ragheb, one of the California owners/investors.

“However, with the Dillard’s property in our possession, it will give us an opportunity to orchestrate a new tenant strategy to bring in the right tenants to the Dillard’s property that will consequently attract the right tenants inside the mall,” he said.

The investors and owners are focused on finding a tenant for the Dillard’s property as fast as possible to increase the ability to lease retail space in the mall, Ragheb said.

“This project will require a huge infusion of cash which we are prepared to invest,” he said.

Ragheb also said the group is renewing the lease with The Performing Arts Academy at Towne Mall, a nonprofit for music education and performing arts.

“The mall is perfect for us. This year we’ve had 6,127 guests come to our shows this year,” said Nina Markle, executive director of the arts academy. “They seem to be trying to work with people in the mall. They are certainly trying to work with us.”

 



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Dec 21 2012 at 7:26pm
It will be nice to see the Towne Mall come to life again. It may be a little antiquated, but is still nice by Middletown standards. Now, if the city will keep their noses out of the new owner's business and let the thing develop based on the market demands and new owner plans, things should be ok. At all costs, the city needs to stay out of it or it will become another cluster. That means you Kohler, Gilleland and other meddling people.....stay out of it or it's doomed.

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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Dec 27 2012 at 11:49pm
Bless Properties LLC now owns the two outlined areas:


Posted By: justwatching
Date Posted: Dec 28 2012 at 12:34pm
Quote “The mall is perfect for us. This year we’ve had 6,127 guests come to our shows this year,” said Nina Markle, executive director of the arts academy. “They seem to be trying to work with people in the mall. They are certainly trying to work with us.”

What Nina doesn't say is that 6,127 number also includes repeat visitors to each show.... so every Mom, Dad, Grandma, Grandpa, Aunt & Uncle that comes to every one of their kids' shows really jacks that number up. I'd suspect that a truly unique guest number would be much much much much lower.


Posted By: greygoose
Date Posted: Dec 29 2012 at 7:21pm
The new mall will consist of smaller, second tier, "value added" type retailers...... stores like TJ Maxx or Marshall's. The demographics and a lower rent structure should attract many of these types of retailers. It won't be a flea market but it also won't be an upscale lifestyle center like "The Greene". I personally think that it is a smart concept.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Dec 30 2012 at 1:44pm
I agree with you GG!!

PacmanCool


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 7:28am
Agree--still somewhat of a lateral move
We already have Meijers, WalMart, Target and Kohl.s approximate.
Seems like very similar stores.
Fits our demographics(if anyone has any $$ to shop these places after various govts. get done with us)
Won't help locals looking for anything different or more upscale, and won't be any more attractive to bringing affluence to the area. But--better than what we have now, and hopefully no cash for "gold" or other stolen merchandise locations.
More location options for the local shoplifters
 
jmo


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 8:00am

Spider
While I agree this is a needed improvement I’m a bit confused. I thought the
East End
was to be our UPSCALE HIGH RENT AREA.
We are building 260 UPSCALE APARTMENTS just a short distance away. Where will they buy their new suits and office outfits?
This seems like mixed message PR to me.



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 10:30am
Question....Is there really any upscale to Middletown anymore? Don't these "toned down from upscale" stores fit the demographics of this town more so than a Von Maur at the Green? Ya gotta have 200 bucks in your wallet just to afford the cheapest crap that place sells. I would be willing to bet that 98% of Middletown's residents couldn't afford to walk into the Von Maur store. Hell, Dilliards/Kohls may be too upscale for most of Middletown's population, right? Very few people are paying $45 bucks for a pair of slacks or $30+ for shirts nowadays are they? Can't justify it and, with the economy and wages the way they are, can't afford it anyway. I would guess that grabbing a pair of blue jeans at 10-15 bucks and a 7 buck T-shirt off the rack fits into most Middletown budgets nowadays. The only ones with money in their pockets are the politicians and government people at all levels who are making it tough on the rest of us with their dam policies, laws and taxes. JMO

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Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 10:59am
It is true that the majority of Middletown residents can't afford these stores. However given the location, they are hoping to pull people in from the surrounding communities to come down here, and spend their money in hopes of giving an image that parts of Middletown is growing and doing well. That way more people might move move back into Middletown just for the convenience. Wink

As for what I would like to see be built in Middletown, and the Town Mall area the following:
Costco, Sam's Club, Chipotle, Starbucks, JC Penny, ChickFilA, Best Buy or HH Greg, or Fry's Electronics, Jimmy Johns, Dicks Sporting Goods, Home Depot.  

What would you all like to see go into the Mall Area?
 




Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 1:19pm
I would like to see a Menards go in out there or in the old K-Mart location.


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 3:15pm
409
Now we're talking. Menards could sure fill that big building and parking lot.. 


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by 409 409 wrote:

I would like to see a Menards go in out there or in the old K-Mart location.


409 and Viv......Menard's just built a new store at the 725/I-675/I-75 intersection just up the road from here. They also have a store on 129 going into Hamilton. Wouldn't think they would build one here too. Too close to the other stores. How about a Biggs, Sams Club or Cosco where the K-Mart was. This is a "Biggs/Cosco/Sams Club discount town isn't it? Might hurt the Save-A-Lots, Dillmans and Marsh though. Kroger is a large company. They would survive.

ktf.... The Towne Mall just gave up a Chick-Fil-A not too long ago. I would think that that company has the opinion that there is not enough business flow in the mall to make another attempt.

A Home Depot would be nice but, again, there is one on Tylersville Rd. and one at Exit 7- Wilmington Pike off I-675. Lowes usually supplies the need for Middletown folks, doesn't it? Starbucks is in the Kroger store. 5 bucks for a cup of coffee? Wow. I can buy a whole can of Columbian coffee for 10 or 11 bucks at Kroger. Starbucks coffee in the bag is 8 and 9 bucks. Yep, I'm a tightwad....

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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

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Those "professionals" with the big bucks that will occupy the 260 upscale apartments will sneak across the street to Wal-Mart to buy those spiffy clothes. Does anyone think the upscale theme for these apartments will ever get off the ground? Think folks will pay high rent for a place to live in that area.....with a view from their front window of Wal-Mart, the plasma place or Robin Springs, the Section 8 mecca? Hmmm. Wrong theme from the builder,with the wrong rental price, in the wrong place,in the wrong town, with the wrong demographics for this perhaps?

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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 7:37pm
Vet
But..but...but...they ASSURED US that these would be large upscaled apartments and NOT have any Section 8 units available. They ASSURED US that these upscaled apartments would be for all those people employeed by the hospital and other offices in the east end area.


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 7:39pm
Vet
But..but...but...they ASSURED US that these would be large upscaled apartments and NOT have any Section 8 units available. They ASSURED US that these upscaled apartments would be for all those people employeed by the hospital and other offices in the east end area.
Well Vet maybe they will offer rose colored glasses to all those that rent these apartments so they can enjoy a better view.


Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Dec 31 2012 at 8:12pm
they could stack hoods around those apartments and call it fort hood apartments, with armed guards at every air  conditioner...


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Jan 01 2013 at 9:41am
Originally posted by VietVet VietVet wrote:

Originally posted by 409 409 wrote:

I would like to see a Menards go in out there or in the old K-Mart location.


409 and Viv......Menard's just built a new store at the 725/I-675/I-75 intersection just up the road from here. They also have a store on 129 going into Hamilton. Wouldn't think they would build one here too. Too close to the other stores. How about a Biggs, Sams Club or Cosco where the K-Mart was. This is a "Biggs/Cosco/Sams Club discount town isn't it? Might hurt the Save-A-Lots, Dillmans and Marsh though. Kroger is a large company. They would survive.

ktf.... The Towne Mall just gave up a Chick-Fil-A not too long ago. I would think that that company has the opinion that there is not enough business flow in the mall to make another attempt.

A Home Depot would be nice but, again, there is one on Tylersville Rd. and one at Exit 7- Wilmington Pike off I-675. Lowes usually supplies the need for Middletown folks, doesn't it? Starbucks is in the Kroger store. 5 bucks for a cup of coffee? Wow. I can buy a whole can of Columbian coffee for 10 or 11 bucks at Kroger. Starbucks coffee in the bag is 8 and 9 bucks. Yep, I'm a tightwad....
Vet...I certainly don't disagree with the Biggs, Sams Club or Cosco where the K-Mart was idea.
I would still like to see a Menards close by. I have been to the mentioned stores as well as the Tipp City & Richmond stores. They generally have a better selection & prices than Lowes. Lowes still seems to have their proverbial inventory control problems. jmo


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jan 01 2013 at 11:44am
As a long-term local business owner most familiar with the concepts mentioned, here is my thinking:
 
1. BIGGS is no more. They failed and were sold to Remke Markets out of Ky. This has been a financial disaster for Remke, and these stores are probably being re-sold(possibly to Giant Eagle--a big player that would be new to this area. Giant Eagle would probably buy the now vacant Super Valu warehouse in Xenia also. SV supplies Remke and me.)
 
2. SAMS and COSTCO only go in larger mega/multiple center areas, and are well-represented between Centerville and Tri County.They are larger quantity and moderately upscale. I honestly don't see either being interested in any area available here, which would cannibalize their other stores easily within their preferred driving distance.  Besides,WALMART is not overly thrilled with their current local set-up and the rate of theft/crime/sales/location.
 
3. MENARDS probably same as above. They aresomewhat new, and these types of stores are very expensive to plan, build and stock. Plus--their current NEW stores are even closer than SAMS and COSTCO.
 
4. BEST BUY or FRYE'S are struggling to maintain maket share. PCs, TVs, CDs, DVDs etc sales are on the decline. You are very likely to be seeing more closings of these stores and few openings.
 
5. I owned property and operated a business for over 30 years in the center formerly occupied by K MART.
The center owners are delusional and very difficult. No one has been able to deal with them, or even communicate with them. There are NO happy tenants left, and I am surprised that those there still remain.
These owners hammered the final nail when they put in the short-lived adult entertainment club. I fought that opening, as did others. Amazingly our Council emergencied the business in after strong urging from Mr.Kohler.
Commision members Schiavone, Marconi, Wells were strongly behind it, with Ms.Williams strongly against it.
 
Folks--we have a serious demographiic and image issue here that must be improved before anything of this magnitude will appear. High crime, shoplifting, low local income(or NO local income)+ lack of jobs and realistically viable new build spots not approximate to their current locations is also a large issue. No one significant wants to locate here. Trust me on that. I sold two local locations over a year ago, and could have them back if I so desired.
I recently turned down a decent offer for my remaining business because I didn't think that the new use would benefit the community. Probably crazy on my part, however I can stick it out a while longer and appreciate my co-workers, customer base and neighborhood(which has changed big-time).
 
btw--have you read about the theft from the roof at a well-respected local printing company in the former downtown area? f'n incredible! Folks--we must change our environment asap before any attractive companies will consider locating here
 
jmo


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jan 01 2013 at 4:59pm

Well said Spider Clap



Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jan 01 2013 at 11:57pm
Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

 
Folks--we have a serious demographiic and image issue here that must be improved before anything of this magnitude will appear. High crime, shoplifting, low local income(or NO local income)+ lack of jobs and realistically viable new build spots not approximate to their current locations is also a large issue. No one significant wants to locate here. Trust me on that. I sold two local locations over a year ago, and could have them back if I so desired.
Spiderman,
While I am in general agreement with your entire post, I think the part I have quoted is most important.
 
Consider the following from an article about why Ohio is losing population, and what we must do to reverse the trend:
 
"But the bottom line is people are going to live where they can find good jobs", said Laura Jones, a spokeswoman for JobsOhio, the state’s nonprofit economic development agency.
 
This is "the bottom line" for Middletown as well.
 
Unless City Hall gets this through their heads, all is lost here in Middie-ville, and no amount of cheerleading, arts-pumping, and symphony-directing can change it.
 
 


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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jan 02 2013 at 6:25am
"But the bottom line is people are going to live where they can find good jobs", said Laura Jones, a spokeswoman for JobsOhio, the state’s nonprofit economic development agency.

This is "the bottom line" for Middletown as well.

Unless City Hall gets this through their heads, all is lost here in Middie-ville, and no amount of cheerleading, arts-pumping, and symphony-directing can change it.

MIKE...SPIDER....LONG TIME FOLKS.....

HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN (WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BACK ON THE JOURNAL BLOGS BEFORE THEY SHUT THEM DOWN) THAT WE ALL HAVE BEEN STATING THAT GOOD JOBS WITH GOOD WAGES WILL STIMULATE THIS TOWN MORE THAN ALL THE FREEBIE GOVERNMENT HANDOUT PROGRAMS THE CITY SEEMS TO BE ENAMORED WITH, MORE THAN ALL THE ARTZY/CULTURAL THEMES THEY WANT TO BRING IN, ALL THE BUILDINGS THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN AND ALL THE EDUCATIONAL COLLEGES THEY WISH TO BRING TO TOWN......GOOD PAYING JOBS TAKE CARE OF ALOT OF PROBLEMS. HOWEVER, AS WE HAVE ALL STATED, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A TOP PRIORITY FOR THE CITY LEADERS. THESE PEOPLE NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO (OR INTENTIONALLY DONE PERHAPS?) PRIORITIZE THE IMPORTANT STEPS IN GROWING THIS TOWN. THEY EITHER FAVOR AN IDEA THAT FAILS, OR AN IDEA THAT SUCCEEDS BUT IS WAY DOWN ON THE LIST OF IMPORTANCE TO THIS TOWN. PERHAPS THEY BELIEVE THAT IT IS TOO DIFFICULT OR BEYOND THEIR CAPABILITIES TO BRING GOOD PAYING JOBS TO TOWN. IF SO, AGAIN, THEY ALL NEED TO GO......NOW.

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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Jan 03 2013 at 12:08pm
exacaly what I've been saying for YEARS!


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Jan 15 2013 at 5:57pm
From MJ:

Towne Mall to undergo name change

Mall’s new owners plan to invest up to $25M in project

By Rick McCrabb

MIDDLETOWN —

On the day Dunham’s Sports — one of the larger remaining tenants at the Towne Mall — closed its doors for the final time, the shopping center’s new owners said they plan to invest between $20 million to $25 million renovating the entire 465,451-square-foot property.

The mall will probably undergo a name change, too, they said.

The Towne Mall, which opened on Ohio 122 near Interstate 75 in 1977, was purchased by SA Mary LLC and Bless Properties LLC, for $850,000 in November 2012. The California-based investors acquired approximately 8 acres, the Dillard’s department store site — a former mall anchor that closed in 2008 — and parking lot for $1.2 million, according to the Warren County Auditor’s Office.

Once deemed a dead mall, Towne Mall is the city’s front door and redeveloping it into a viable shopping option is important to Middletown’s image and future development in the East End, city officials have said.

George Ragheb, one of the investors, said the $20 million to $25 million investment includes the property purchases and renovations to the 13-acre mall property, including subdividing the Dillard’s site. He said much of the cost will be building new walls, installing heating and air conditioning units and bringing the mall up to 2013 codes.

Ragheb said he hopes to have some of the construction done and new tenants in place early in 2014. And though the larger sign still reads “Towne Mall,” he said the mall’s name also will change.

The mall is currently being marketed as The District at Middletown, but the group is considering the name Middletown Galleria.

He also said the mall’s owners are negotiating with several “very significant tenants.”

Trisha Hale, general manager of the Towne Mall, said three new tenants have signed leases at Towne Mall — two retail businesses and one restaurant, though she refused to name them.

The progress the mall has made since it was purchased three months ago is “mind boggling,” Ragheb said.

On Tuesday, Dunham’s Sports, a tenant at the mall for the last 10 years, closed. Ragheb said the lease had expired, and the owners of the Michigan-based sporting goods store and the mall couldn’t reach an agreement on a new lease.

Saying he was “hungry, not desperate,” Ragheb refused Dunham’s lease offer.

He said Kay’s and Roger’s, the mall’s two jewelry stores, and Bath and Body Works have renewed their leases, and by Friday he expects to announce that another national chain, a current mall tenant, will renew its lease for one year. He refused to name the retailer.



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 6:46am
Well, let's see. A "Name That Mall" contest.

Should it be fancy like we were living in Beavercreek, like the Green? Call it Green Acres for Middletown.

Now about a Springboro theme similar to Settler's Walk. The Path at Middletown.

Or maybe an "upscale" name like the West Chester or Mason people would name it. How about The Mall at the Pinnacle. Or maybe The Portal as it is at the entryway to the city. What about East Side Experience?

OR, we could give it a Middletown theme that kinda sums up the town's condition while honoring our leaders.....

Welcome to Hard Times after the western movie or Steel Towne Dilemma after the steel heritage.

While we're at it, maybe a name/theme for the downtown would enhance a more robust growth experience. Activity Central, We Be Arts And Stuff, Vacancy A-plenty, Flea Market Fantasy, Gold Rush, Real Estate Roulette, The Give Away, Your Money/Our Way and For Our Friends comes to mind. Sorry, just had to take a shot at 'em.

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Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 11:14am
vet ya sure opened the door for a contest.
 renaming the downtown and the mall..Wink now what the hey! what good is it going to do changing the malls name?? geeez.. but while we are thinking about it, hmmmmm thinking you might wanna leave middletown out of it.. and name it treasure's mall,and have a theme of no need to go downtown and find nothing.not unless your looking for a fix!!!   oh shoot nevermind monroe might sue,for using treasure LOL as for the downtown, hmmm how about  Thieve's way of downtown middletown.. with big signs saying stay away from those stinkin prostitutes..Dead.


Posted By: Lucas
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 12:45pm
bumper,

One benefit I see to renaming the mall is out of town visitors may be more inclined to (or fooled into) coming. The "Towne Mall" has a very bad stigma that when people hear they name they think "dead mall." Out of town people may hear or read stories about the "Blah Blah Blah Mall" and think, "I've never been to that new mall, I should go check it out."

Just a thought.


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Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 1:47pm
I do believe that the developers might be trying to draw the Springboro, Lebanon, Mason, & West Chester crowd to the mall to keep them from going to the Dayton Mall and Tri-County. In hopes that people would go to a smaller less crowded mall. I just hope they greatly improve access to that mall. It is such a choke point trying to get into there from Cin-Day Road, or Towne Blvd. So far the only reason I goto the Mall is for Sears, Bed Bath and Beyond and maybe radio shack.


Posted By: adamwlewis
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 2:31pm
fkt1179, do you mean Bath & Body Works? We don't have a Bed Bath and Beyond at the Towne Mall. I agree with you that access is rough, and the roads and parking lots all need redone badly.

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Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 2:35pm
sorry I meant Bath & Body Works its been a long day Sleepy



Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 2:39pm
lucas your not going to fool anyone by changing namesLOL since the new owners are spending all that cash (millions) on the mall, you would think they would spend a few $$$$$$ on Advertising... just what the mall did in monroe,and all these grand opening places do to make a draw, how about Advertise!! THE NEW TOWN MALL  take some pics, name your stores, and wait and see who shows up..Advertise on local TV the FLEA markets do!!! just don't Advertise in the mid town journal don't think many look at that waste of paper anymore..


Posted By: Lucas
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by bumper bumper wrote:

lucas your not going to fool anyone by changing namesLOL since the new owners are spending all that cash (millions) on the mall, you would think they would spend a few $$$$$$ on Advertising... just what the mall did in monroe,and all these grand opening places do to make a draw, how about Advertise!! THE NEW TOWN MALL  take some pics, name your stores, and wait and see who shows up..Advertise on local TV the FLEA markets do!!! just don't Advertise in the mid town journal don't think many look at that waste of paper anymore..

I agree with you I'm just saying that is probably their goal with a rename. I don't think there is any reason to rename it myself but not my 20 million dollars ;-)


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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jan 16 2013 at 10:33pm
Keep it simple, "The Shoppes At Middletown". Their choices of the "Middletown Galleria" brings back the '80s and the "District" is just plain boring.

Pacman


Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Jan 17 2013 at 8:22am
whatever they come up with, it will still be the franklin town mall, LOL had to make a trip to woody's yesterday to get my new eye glasses straighten out, came thru the front door on 122 with my uneven glasses and said to myself wow who designed this, its still a cobbled piece of work...well woody did his magic on my glassesSmile, would have stopped at the mall but had no reason to, Yet!! but heading back out and going thru the stops and waits with my now even glassesSmile heading out on 122 it still looked like a cobbled piece of work.. but i do hope they can get this mall rolling again.


Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jan 17 2013 at 8:38am
I would be surprised if the new name had the word "Middletown" in it.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jan 17 2013 at 7:57pm
Here's a suggestion for a new name:
 
BED BUGS & BEYOND!!! LOL LOL LOL


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Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Jan 19 2013 at 10:22am
oh mike now you done messed my visit to the New franklin town mall all up.. kinda skerred of those bugs, LOL ya never know someone dropping a few off, and ya being the lucky one to take-em back home with ya..Confused hope no one will be selling beds in there..LOL if i do visit  it would have to be something i want,and hope i don't need to use the restroom, whats the name of those critters that jump? guess i'll just have to spray myself down with some off with deet LOL


Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Jan 20 2013 at 7:18am
City wants to make good impression with high-end homes and the Atrium Medical Center has “really turned some heads” about people’s perception of Middletown says marty..oh boy thats a funny...think you can see why he was no longer needed in lebanon, krazy dreams in one hand and a whole lotta stinkin stuff in the other..


Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Jan 23 2013 at 10:02am
Just saw a new for lease sign under on the Towne Mall sign. I wounder if they are getting any takers yet?


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jan 23 2013 at 2:34pm
Bumper
Isn't Marty Kohler the same person that signed the paperwork to increase the Section 8 vouchers by 800?


Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Jan 23 2013 at 4:44pm
yes Viv the very same. I thought he was leaving for Kettering. Can't be to soon!!!


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Feb 14 2013 at 1:45pm

I don't know how many people saw the MUSA story on "The District in Middletown rumors".  Many of the stores proposed for the mall (Rave, Marshall's, the outlots) would be very interesting.  My question is do we know if these are actual tenants that just haven't been announced?  Where did this map come from?



Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 28 2013 at 11:06am
Posted: 8:00 a.m. Sunday, April 28, 2013

Towne Mall hopes to sign ‘right’ national tenants soon

By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/rick-mccrabb/" rel="nofollow - Rick McCrabb

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

In the six months since the Towne Mall was purchased, the occupancy rate has climbed from about 40 percent to 59 percent, according to one of the investors.

The mall has added six businesses, and four more have signed leases, while one, Dunham Sports, decided not to renew its lease, said Trisha Hale, mall manager.

While the economic news coming from the Towne Mall is positive, it needs to find several tenants to occupy its largest available space, the 111,696-square-foot former Dillard’s location, said George Ragheb, one of the investors for SA Mary LLC, a California based group.

He said the 465,451-square-foot mall hopes to sign three to five national tenants to fill the former Dillard’s site. Ever since Dillard’s closed, the mall has had two anchor stores — the 63,106-square-foot Sears and 117,888-square-foot Elder-Beerman.

Ragheb said mall management is “75 percent down the road” toward signing what he called the “right tenants, major tenants.” He said they’re considering nine potential tenants. Ragheb refused to name any of them until the contracts are signed.

He said the interest from retailers shows “people believe our story.”

Plans call for the owners to give the 36-year-old mall a face lift that will cost between $20 million to $25 million, he said.

Eventually, he said, the mall will become “a true shopping destination” for Middletown residents and those from neighboring communities.

That probably won’t happen, though, until the major tenants open. The new businesses mainly are specialty shops or restaurants, and while they have “strong followings,” Hale understands the financial weight anchors carry.

“You have to have a great mix of tenants,” Hale said. “That’s what you need for a winning mall. It has to become a destination, a place to go.”

Hale said she hasn’t seen this much excitement in the mall in years. She said the “whole mood” has changed in the East End.

Gail West has been in the clothing business for more than 3o years and she works at Worthmore in the mall. She said the mall is taking “baby steps,” but she sees additional foot track, a sign business is improving.

“It seems to be drawing people back,” she said.

One of the new businesses that is enjoying early success is Miss Selby’s Soap and Such, a store that offers all locally-produced products — from Renee Selby’s candles and soaps to jelly and jams from Lebanon to LaCrema Coffee from West Chester Twp. to Fenno Fashions from Cincinnati to Waggoner Chocolates from Canton.

Carolyn Centers, who works at the store, described business as “better than we thought.” She said in just the few weeks it’s been open, she’s is seeing more and more repeat customers. She said people like purchasing all natural, local products.

Centers also sees a bright future for the mall, and that certainly wasn’t always the case. When the Middletown native, who lives in Cincinnati, visited the Towne Mall months ago before it was sold, she said the vacant stores “broke my heart.”

Now, she said, “I see progress and that makes me excited.”


NEW BUSINESSES

Six businesses have opened and four more have signed leases since Towne Mall was purchased last year by a California-based investment group, according to Trisha Hale, mall manager.

Now open:

All About You Catering and Bakery

Splattered Platter

Miss Selby’s Soaps and Such

A.L.M. Team Sports

Wigs for a Change

My Gadget Solutions

Coming soon:

Yanni’s Greek Gyros

Ice Ice Smoothies

Home Connection

Gameland

Now closed

Dunham Sports

Staying with the story

The Middletown Journal has reported the major developments at Towne Mall since it was purchased last year by a California-based investment group. You can count on the Journal to continue to report new developments and how they impact the local business community.



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Apr 28 2013 at 3:06pm
Well, if this story is factual, it looks like we can begin to make a comparison here on development and pace between the forced taxpayer sponsored progress of the "crown jewel", the downtown area, with the ideas by Kay and his group, the city government intervention/ideas, the Downtown Middletown group with their artzy/community college, fru fru shop theme and the Towne Mall development and pace using the ideas (and money) from the private sector. To date, one could start gathering evidence which method seems more effective and less hazardous to the taxpayer's pocketbook. If the progress continues at the current pace, I would wager the Towne Mall will be across the finish line first and have more diversity to offer as well.JMO

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Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Apr 29 2013 at 9:51am

The Towne Mall developers is going to have some competition for national tenants if this development goes in a few miles south of Middletown at I-75 & Liberty Ave.


Updated: 8:20 p.m. Thursday, April 25, 2013 | Posted: 12:29 p.m. Thursday, April 25, 2013

Retail project seeks $35M in public money

Developer gives details on major Liberty Twp. retail center

By  http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/chelsey-levingston/" rel="nofollow - Chelsey Levingston

Staff Writer

HAMILTON — 

Butler County commissioners and Liberty Twp. trustees have a more detailed look at a $300 million development that one of them described as “a city within a township.”

Yaromir Steiner, CEO of Columbus developer Steiner + Associates, presented updated plans Thursday during a joint session of Butler County commissioners and Liberty Twp. trustees for Liberty Center, a proposed $300 million mixed-used retail, residential and office development in Liberty Twp.

It was announced Wednesday that Steiner has signed its first tenant for the project — Dillard’s department store.

Thursday’s meeting provided the most details yet on what the project will look like, including building design and layout.

“This is the first time we’ve actually seen the buildings as they’re going to be built,” said Butler County Commissioner Don Dixon.

County commissioners and Liberty Twp. trustees approved in 2012 a memorandum of understanding between Butler County, Liberty Twp. and the developers calling for the county to fund $30 million and the township $5 million through tax incentives for infrastructure-improvement costs.

Steiner told officials those agreements need to be finalized before a trade show in mid-May so that work can begin on the next phase of the project’s development, including design, construction and efforts to lease in-line retail tenants.

“We will have our agreement finished by then,” Commissioner Don Dixon said after Thursday’s meetings. “My concerns were mostly the financial end of it.”

The construction start has been delayed in the past year or more as the developer and county work on TIF and lease agreements. Steiner also said there is $60 million to $80 million in private equity left to raise.

The development is at the Liberty Way Interchange on Interstate 75. A local government-developer agreement would create a Tax Increment Financing District, which means the project developers would not pay the property taxes that normally would be owed on the developed property. Instead, money will go to pay down a bond issue used to finance roads, parking areas and other infrastructure.

The deal would make it so school districts still receive property taxes.

RECon, the International Council of Shopping Centers trade show in Las Vegas, runs May 19-22. That is where Steiner said the development’s other two anchors — a cinema and second anchor retailer — could be finalized.

“We cannot start developing until we know how we are funding every piece of this,” Steiner said.

If everything moves forward as planned, construction is set to start in October. The first phase would consist of more than 1 million square feet and more than $50 million in infrastructure improvements.

“It appears we have a basic agreement with a few details to be worked out,” said county Commissioner T.C. Rogers.

Estimates are for Liberty Center to create approximately 2,000 construction jobs and, once open, more than 4,000 permanent full- and part-time jobs. A fall 2015 opening date has also been announced.

“With regard to estimates of jobs and creation of jobs, that is very important to me,” County Commissioner Cindy Carpenter said.

More details on Liberty Center

Thursday’s public meeting revealed the most up-to-date plans for the proposed Liberty Center project.

Liberty Center, which previously had the working title Liberty Town Square, was first conceived around 2006. It was at one point “abandoned” in the aftermath of the national economic crisis. Steiner said plans were revived in August 2010 and talks went public in 2011.

The project is slated to become the “civic, commercial and social hub” of the area. Liberty Twp. Trustee Thomas Farrell described it as “a city within a township.”

“The Cincinnati metropolitan area is an over 2 million person market and that market has only two legitimate viable malls — Florence and Kenwood. This is way too few for a market of this size,” Steiner said.

The major difference between the future Liberty Center versus other Steiner developments — Easton Town Center in Columbus and The Greene in Beavercreek — is size, Steiner said. Both Easton and The Greene have been built in phases, first starting at 600,000 to 800,000 square feet.

“Here we are going to have 1.2 million square-feet upfront … we start bigger,” Steiner said. “And then the integration of the multiple uses. Here we have apartments on top of stores … it will be very, very integrated, very urban.”

Updated site plans call for:

  • more than 200 luxury apartments
  • a 150-room, 80,000-square-foot hotel — either a Hilton, Marriott or Hyatt brand
  • 75,000 square feet of offices
  • a two-level Dillard’s
  • a second anchor store that will face I-75
  • a cinema that will have 12-14 screens, more than 1,200 seats and a dine-in theater
  • a non-denominational chapel
  • “The Foundry,” an enclosed, two-story mall with covered “streets”

Altogether, Liberty Center’s plans call for 120-130 tenants.

“We will absolutely be targeting the entire tenant list we have today at Easton,” said Anne Mastin, Steiner executive vice president of retail real estate. She said the project is being pitched as the “Easton of Cincinnati.”

Liberty Center will set the tone for future local development, Township Trustee President Christine Matacic said, with 100 to 200 more acres of open land surrounding the development.

“I don’t think there’s anyone here who can’t watch this presentation and not get excited,” Township Trustee Thomas Farrell said. “It will forever change the landscape of Liberty Twp. and we can’t get it wrong.”



Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 9:43am
Posted: 5:37 p.m. Sunday, May 12, 2013
TOWNE MALL

7th new shop brightens outlook

By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/" rel="nofollow - Michael D. Pitman

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

The connection between Town Mall and home is now a little stronger.

Don Craven and Joe Cox expanded their business, Home Connection, a home decor store, into the East End mall earlier this month.

“We were looking at other locations and heard about the mall,” said Craven. “I was hoping it might work out because it’s hard to find an independent little shop to set up.”

Home Connection mostly sells prints and American made and crafted frames along with other country-style and craftsman-style home decor at their store across from the Family Christian Bookstore. They manufacture the frames in their West Chester Twp. warehouse.

Each man got into the business for his own reasons. Craven had “always wanted to have a little business of my own,” while Cox “wanted to do something I enjoyed.” Both men had worked and retired from other careers before crossing paths.

The store is part of the nearly 20 percent growth in occupancy since SA Mary LLC, a California-based investment group, purchased the struggling mall. Seven stores have opened in six months, including Home Connections on May 1. Three more businesses have signed leases. And the 36-year-old mall is to undergo $20 million to $25 million worth of renovations, according to plans announced by the owners.

And all of this in the past six months has created a buzz that Craven and Cox said they are seeing in the mall. More and more people are coming to Towne Mall, they said.

“We understand that they’re trying to fix it up, and I thought this was a great opportunity,” said Craven. “It will take off like everybody’s expecting.”

Home Connections is open 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. Monday through Saturday and noon to 6 p.m. on Sunday. For more, call 513-422-1953 or email homeconnections1953@att.net.

What happened to the "Major Retailer" that was getting ready to sign a long term lease several months ago?
I'm beginning to have some doubts that this company can attract those major retailers to this location as promised since many of these large retailers now have stores just down the road on I-75.
After all Christmas is only 6 months away.

 



Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 10:39pm

So far I'm not impressed we need something big in there, sad to see dunhams go how could they let that happen ?



Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 6:33am
Bottom line here???.....could we say the Towne Mall is still filling up faster, since being taken over by the new owners, than the downtown stores are? Could one conclude that this may indicate that the majority of retail business that would entertain thoughts of locating to Middletown would choose the east end mall over the "7 miles to the west" downtown location? What is the percent of occupancy of the mall since the resurgence......maybe 40% now from almost empty???? How about the percent of occupancy of their downtown? Maybe 15%/20% with legitimate businesses? Is the east end still the area of concentration for growing the business interests of this town? If so, why can't the downtown supporters admit this and why is the majority of concentration (and money) from the city leaders invested downtown? Now, we have a mini war going on between the money thrown at the Towne Mall by private investors, using private investor funds and the downtown, with taxpayer/public funds, with no public representation/voice, dumped into the downtown helping private businesses start. If private investors using private money can work out east, why are they using public money to help private investors downtown?......Desirability of location and the forced development of the downtown whether the majority of the people want it or not.

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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.


Posted By: Middletown29
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 6:45am
Towne mall is a scam.


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 9:26am
Middletown29
I thought filling the Town Mall was going to be looked after by the MMF Business Guru.
I can't remember hearing any more about the great workings of MMF since City Hall gave them $65,000


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 9:52am
Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Towne mall is a scam.


Tell us about your scam theory 29. How is this scam being carried out?

If Towne Mall is a scam, how do you feel about all the money wasted in the downtown area?

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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.


Posted By: Libertarian
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 10:02am
Some senior officials "working" (?) at One Donham Plaza are the real SCAMMERS.  Municipal government slight-of-hand experts comprise these motley few.  What a price that Middletown pays and pays and pays as these "community experts" divert public funds to their pet projects that have had little to no positive impact.  What a SAD STORY, INDEED.



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