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Topic: Section 8
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Subject: Section 8
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 4:58am

City officials will be asking for emergency legislation from Middletown City Council at its Tuesday, April 7, meeting to extend its current contract with its Section 8 housing administrator for another three months so that a three-year contract can be completed.

More delays on CONSOC contract. Now they need another 3 months?
Why is this contract is taking soooo long to complete.



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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 6:21am
b careful Tues.evening, Ms.Moon
u have a good point and message
stay cool at all cost
 
3 more months to finish that contract seems exceptionally long
maybe they will explain why, but I doubt it
must be some bottleneck
secrecy prevails at the expense of everyone
 


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 6:51am
Censored

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 7:01am
Spider
Don't worry I'm cool...


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 9:00am
I know that u r, Ms.Moon
And I know that you are very knowledgeable on your topic and how the inner admin works.
Remember 3 minutes, though as caretaker of the cemetary, I would think that you could request an extention in advance, and be allowed to talk longer.
 
I wonder if the "possible violation" residents will make a show also?
 
Looking forward to watching the meeting, and might come down to catch the live version.
Gives me an excuse to have dinner at 56 degrees afterwards.
 
Maybe someone who is deep into the Section 8 situation will also speak as to their concerns!


Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 9:36am
Vivian are you going to be on TV Middletown? Let me know so I can grab it and post it here.

You guys are a big part of checks and balances needed in this town. I appreciate all points of view. And I feel better informed about how people feel about the issues as presented in TV Middletown and the newspaper.

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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 10:20am
$85,000 PER MONTH to CONSOC !!!!!! $11.5 mil from the budget for this!!! Couldn't it be done any cheaper by hiring their own admin. people and placing them under the DIrector of the Section 8 program? What would be the minumum number of paper shufflers, inspectors,senior coffee drinkers,assist coffee drinkers, supervisors,senior assist. directors, assistant directors, team leaders, asst. team leaders and other pork salaries, etc. the city would need to handle 1600+ Section 8 housing clients? (Hopefully reduced later to the correct number in the 700's.) This monthly cost seems ridiculous. And just what does the city get for this seemingly exorbatant cost?


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 11:13am

John

I plan to speak at the City Council Meeting tomorrow night.

I don't think they are going to be very happy by the time I sit down.
The word Thunder-Struck comes to mind.....Wink


Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 11:20am
Ok, I will schedule my recorders for 5:30. We will post on this site Wednesday.


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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 3:29pm
Ms.Moon
Thanx for dropping off a copy of your prepared text
I have read it a couple of times, and think that it is very good.
It enhances the inaction with dates,names/titles and places, showing a consistent pattern of neglect and indifference. It chronicles the situation and violations clearly and well.
 
Expect Council and admin to say nothing after you speak.
They may not answer the situation at all, mostly because they honestly don't care, and will use the "no money" excuse down the road. I doubt you will get anywhere with the locals.
 
Then you should probably go ahead and file your complaint with the proper state authorities by certified mail or better.  Just go around the Council and admin. Maybe send a copy to Mr.Derickson and Mr.Cates also.
 
With the recent flurry of "possible violation" notices, this lapse by the city will put them in very poor light as to not holding up their cosmetic responsibilities. They will hardly put themselves on notice.
 
You might press your case with Duane Gordon of the Middletown Community Foundation. I have already discussed the past situation with him, and he seemed both sympathetic and aware.
 
Best of luck--hope 2 b there--looking forward to it all!


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 4:08pm
Government knows best is the mantra of senior city staff and some elected officials.  The future of Middletown is bleak at best without a thorough house cleaning.


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 4:51pm
You people stop thinking about things like Section 8 and Moving Middletown Forward!!!
 
Why???

Well, either you're closing your eyes
To a situation you do not wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of peeling paint in your community.


Ooooooooooh we got trouble,trouble,trouble...


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 5:27pm
Mike you are being Obsessive, please stop.Censored

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 6:10pm

Spider

“People that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”.
Oh...they will answer one way or the other...and this time I will hang all the dirty laundry out on the line for all to see!




Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 06 2009 at 7:04pm
Mr.P--we can take care of Section 8 and MMF simultaneously in one day.
 
Next November we vote out Mr.Armbruster,Mr.Schiavone and Mr.Marconi
Hopefully Mr.Becker will be chosen to handle the county emergency operation.
His replacement would be chosen by the remaining Council members.
These are the four commissioners who voted to retain CONSOC because "you don't change something that is working well".
 
If the next Section 8 contract mandates a 50% reduction over time, we only need like-minded bodies in power to carry it out.
 
We already know about the MMF plan, and witnessed it in operation last Council elections. Simply watch the money flow, and during campaign forums, ask the appropriate ?s.
Still--we need viable ward candidates.
 
Quit pouting, pacman.
Does it hurt sitting on your fingers, or are you wearing mittens?


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 6:07am
Spider:
We cannot take care of it if the people get distracted by the countermeasures (mis-direction) being used by the powers that be.
 
As in "The Music Man", this city's power brokers (Middletown's "Professor Harold Hill") are simply manufacturing "straw men" (the pool table in the Music Man, the peeling paint and anything else they can think of to distract us in our case) to draw attention away from the real purpose.  (In The Music Man, the purpose was to flim-flam the local hayseeds out of their hard-earned money to pay for instruments and uniforms for a "boys' band" and his promise to teach them to play with his innovative "THINK system" of music instruction.) 
 
I won't carry this analogy any farther, as I don't want to be boring, but I must warn one more time:
Do NOT be distracted!!!  Do NOT fall for mis-direction!!!  Keep your eyes on the ball!!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 6:09am

This entire Section 8 contract situation has turned into a bad novel.
Over the years it is evident that the City Manager, Council Members, Mr. Kohler and other department heads have not been keeping their eyes on this ball.
They admitted that over the years they had many problems with CONSOC but they continued to use this vendor. Why didn’t they solve the problems along the way? Why did they OK an increase in Section 8 vouchers? Why did they choose CONSOC with the highest bid? Then the City Manager hires an outside firm for $30,000 to negotiate a 3 year contract that now seems to have some serious problems. And you can bet that we haven’t heard the end of this problem.
Before we vote this year we really need to demand answers from all the candidates to all the questions and problems that we have discussed here on this forum.



Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 6:28am
Vivian:
AMEN!!


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Impala SS
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 8:07am
Vivian; You go girl. Tell it like it is.


Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 5:23pm
Good luck Vivian! 

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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 7:04pm

April 7, 2009 5:30 P.M.    Middletown City Council Meeting

I am here tonight to speak for the 7,000 people who can no longer speak for themselves: those 7,000 souls and 233 veterans, who rest quietly in the Middletown Cemetery. I represent them—and those who may be buried there in the future.

During the past five years I have spoken to city managers, mayors, council members, the police department and many more city officials in an effort to preserve and improve the condition of the Middletown Cemetery.

In 2005, I met Marty Kohler at the cemetery to discuss the critical condition of the vault.  He told me Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funds could be used to restore the vault if City Council declared the cemetery historic. In 2006, Council made that declaration; however, Mr. Kohler has not set aside a single dollar of CDBG funds for the vault restoration. The stone work continues to deteriorate, and still the CDBG budget does not include funds to restore the vault.
I requested that the City strap the vault to keep the stone walls from collapsing; the City ignored my request.
I requested that the City put a tarp over the roof; again the City ignored my request.


In October 2007, the Middletown Community Foundation awarded a grant of $11,000 to help secure the stone work until the vault could be completely restored. In 2008, Don Thompson came before this Council and requested additional funds to save the vault. Council denied his request. If the monies are not used this year, the Foundation will rescind the grant and retain the funds.

This past September, about a week after Hurricane Ike hit, I asked the Public Works Department to clear the driveways enough to allow access to the back section of the cemetery for a funeral. There were three days until the funeral, but city staff told me they were too busy clearing other areas of the city. The funeral home staff and I had to clear the drives so the funeral procession could get to the grave. After several months Woodside Cemetery
sent 5 men for 2 days to the cemetery to cut up the downed trees and large limbs. The City has still not sent a crew to finish clearing the cemetery. As I stand before you tonight the cemetery is still littered with damage from last September’s storm. WHAT IF THIS HAD BEEN YOUR FAMILY MEMBER? Again with your INACTION you have shown A TOTAL LACK OF REPECT for those buried in this cemetery

In
November and again in December 2008, the Public Works Department contacted me about hurricane-related damages at the cemetery so they could prepare their reports for FEMA. Both times I told them there was damage to about 23 stones.

In January Pam Banks of the Finance Department contacted me about damage at the cemetery; it seems that Public Works had told them there was no damage. The Finance Department asked if I would meet Mr. Priest, the FEMA Representative, so the City could file the claim. I met with him at the cemetery to verify the damage and got a quote for repairing the stones.
CLEARLY THIS WAS NOT THE RESPONSIBILTY OF A VOLUNTEER.  

I have tried to work with the City to restore and maintain the cemetery. I find it strange that the City is able to find funds for other historic projects, but Council is unwilling to allocate funds to save or care for this historic cemetery.

 

HOWEVER…it really isn’t a matter of whether you think this is a worthwhile project,
or whether you want to fix the fences and close the gates to secure the property,
or even that you just can’t seem to find the funds to restore the vault.
Ohio Revise Code 4767.06(H) clearly states that you
MUST.
It is your legal obligation to care for and maintain this cemetery.

In 2005, after the cemetery was vandalized, I spoke with then-mayor, Noah Powers and told him that the city was in violation of Ohio Revised Code. It is clear during the past five years Council has consistently ignored my message….not because funds were not available, but because you simply don’t care. 


I’m here tonight to inform you again that the City Government’s apathy and neglect of this cemetery over the past 60 years puts you in direct violation of Ohio State Law. The law clearly states the city MUST have processes and funding in place to properly manage, maintain and preserve a city-owned cemetery.

 

I respectfully request Middletown City Council establish a dedicated board to oversee the management, maintenance, and preservation of our historic Pioneer Cemetery. 
I request that the Vault and all fences be repaired and cleared.
I’m also requesting any and all information, including donations and expenditures, regarding the Middletown Cemetery Perpetual Care Fund—an account which now seems to have vanished.
 
Other citizens and I have made various attempts to encourage you to address the condition and problem issues of the cemetery; perhaps you would rather respond to a formal complaint as to why you continue to ignore and violate Ohio Law for basic cemetery regulations and cemetery maintenance.
Please be advised… that if Council can't agree in the next two weeks to address
Middletown Cemetery’s problems, I will file a formal complaint against you with the State of Ohio.

 

As of tonight, there are fourteen days for you to respond with a realistic plan for addressing the needs at the Cemetery….and the clock is ticking.


The
Middletown Cemetery and the 7,000 souls that rest there will no longer be silent or ignored.
 
Vivian Moon




Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 7:23pm
Spider, No it is not cold enough for Mittens and I am to busy to sit on my hands.  Had a family emergency and working on business survival in this economy.  As far as pouting I'll leave that to you.

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Impala SS
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 7:39pm
Vivian;  You did a wonderful job at City Hall tonight. Keep up the good work you have people backing you 100%. I thought it was so stupid of our mayor to say we are not here for questions and answers. That is the problem down there they never give any answers to anything. What the hell good are they?


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 8:11pm
Vivian.....Excellent presentation. An absolute shame they cut you off. Keep it up!


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 8:56pm
When the recently "resigned" Community Development Administrator flew to Middletown (at his own expense) for an interview in early November 2006, Marty Kohler proudly spoke of the Section 8 program and how it had grown under his direction over the past few years and was infusing HUD funds into neighborhoods resulting in upgraded rental housing conditions.
 
His predecessor (Angela Tucker) would not allow HUD-funded housing code enforcement personnel to cite Section 8 properties with violations.  She told staff that he later inherited that CONSOC was being paid to ensure that all properties met HUD's Housing Quality Standards.  He changed this policy upon his arrival and spent many hours on the phone and sending e-mails to CONSOC when inspectors discovered problems.  This angered Mr. Kohler.
 
The truth will set the captives free!


Posted By: tomahawk35
Date Posted: Apr 07 2009 at 11:17pm
Well, I was there and I also noticed that the council said several times to the citzens that they weren't prepared to have a Q&A forum but they seem to not have a problem asking questions to the  person who was with the police dept. This is a bunch of crap where these meetings protects elected officials from answersing question from the taxpayers of this town. A total sham just sitting there and having no concern what so ever for the common people but fall all over each other to appease their city employees. Don't waste your time attending this kanagroo court setting.


Posted By: scrapmonkey
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 12:42am
Excellent presentation Vivian !!

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"Civilization begins with order,grows with liberty,and dies with chaos"~Will Duran


Posted By: riverwind
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 6:54am
The person who was there from the police department was there for a public hearing, not for citizens' comments. 


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 7:12am
Being the caretaker of the Middletown Cemetary, Ms.Moon could have probably notified Council ahead of time that she was going to speak and was requesting additional time.
That request would have probably been granted.
 
I went down last night also.
Pretty un-eventful evening.
I weouldn't want the job.
Marconi was correct in voting against the up-front payment on the service contract. A 5% reduction is too small for that type of agreement. Suppose the maintenence firm shuts down,is sold or has negative personel changes? Not a big deal other than emphasizing that these bureaucrats aren't business people and truly don't know how to manage OPM.
 
Had a great dinner at 56 Degrees afterwards.
Place had a good crowd--especially for a weeknight downtown.
 
Don't be surprised if Section 8 becomes a major issue down the road, much to pacman's enjoyment.
 
Well--Mr.Schiavone won't be returning(his current plan), so there is one seat wide open. Hopefully a centrist candidate will emerge, but expect MMF to be all over this opportunity.
We have Soppanish vs. Ford
We have Barge vs.Armbruster
No challengers for Mr.Marconi yet?
We need others to step up and make it interesting!


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 7:25am
Spider sometimes I think you think this is a big game going on in the City.  I get absolutely no enjoyment out of the Section 8 mess that the City has created.  What all of these posts have done is raise the awareness of the Section 8 problem now in Middletown.  Weekly I get people in my business now and when the state of the city comes up, Section 8 is one of the first topics these people bring up as they had no idea that the City had gotten itself into such a mess with it.
 
People quote stats and comments right off of these posts on this board, so it has done some good by simply raising the awareness, even if you disagree with it.
 
I also think the City is now cutting the Section 8 due to pressure brought to bear on them.  As last fall the Council was adamant about not cutting and comments were made that "we need more Section 8."
 
If this matter is not resolved Wednesday as the City Manager stated it should be look for this matter to drag on for year 3 which is totally ridicules in a City this size.  Whole Country's make decisions quicker than this council has on Section 8.
 
But hey we can always get together and have a Clean up the Median party on Roosevelt Blvd. and get our picture in the paper, that Will Move Middletown Forward at lightening speed.Big%20smile


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 9:00am
Not many Middletonians know that HUD recently announced an increase in Housing Choice Voucher (HCV) Program administrative fees (up to $1.1 million) that the City will receive for Contract Year 2009 (7/1/2009 - 6/30/2010).  The City Manager is eager to 'tap into' these funds to the maximum extent possible to further expand her hard-hitting housing code enforcement blitz.  Before long she envisions that Middletown will magically be transformed into the upper middle-income suburban Pickerington of S.W. Ohio!


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 9:53am

Well pacman--I have watched and participated in this "big game" for over 50 years, and from pretty much every angle imagineable. I have a pretty good idea of what is happening.

It is a tough balance.

We have lost the upper inncome residents(and many who were upper income are now less affluent) and much of our retail presence. We are overwhelmed with low/no income residents, and everyone has to live somewhere. We have a large amount of low-income residences and neighborhoods, which are spreading like spring dandelions.
 
It is probably time(actually way past time) for our city manager and Council to lay out to the public exactly what is going on with Section 8. How much $$ it generates, and exactly how that $$ is used. Lay out to the public just what CONSOC has been doing, and what they will do in the future. Time to quit insulting the public by acting as if we simply can't understand or don't have any right to full disclosure as to how our city is operating. Also just who in the city structure has and is still benefitting from the Section 8 $$ windfall.
 
Lay out just how much the program has mushroomed over the years, why it has grown out of proportion, who made the decisions and what city managers and Councils have approved this activity. Also lay open the on-going negotiations as to what up-coming changes will occur.
 
It is our city, and we have a right to know.
City admin works for us, and has an obligation to keep us properly informed in a timely manner.
Enough of the closed door secrecy bureaucratic shuffling.
 
Hey pacman--we can all clean up our properties and our neighhborhoods on a daily basis. Easy to do, personally rewarding, and it can be contageous.
Why have publicity for simply doing the right thing?
No news there.


Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 11:05am

Last December, I was having lunch at the now-defunct BBQ Junction, which was co-owned by Councilman Schiavone.  Having lunch at the same time was Council members Armbruster, Macronni, Becker and of course Schiavone (who was also waiting their table) and none other than Dan Tracy, who has gone on record describing himself as one of the largest Section 8 landlords in Middletown.  He has also been a proponent of CONSOC.  This meeting of the “minds” and I use that word loosely was right at the point where city staff’s recommendation to Council was to select another vendor to administer Middletown’s program.  This recommendation, I believe, was a result of a recommendation made by a subcommittee of city staff and residents who were looking at this issue.  From what I was able to gather from the minutes, the recommendation was not unanimous; there were two dissenters.

 

Now, Mr. Tracy was, I believe, part of that committee.  If I am not mistaken, he went before Council when this issue was first surfacing and argued for CONSOC.  While the minutes from the Housing sub-committee didn’t indicate who the two dissenters were, was one Mr. Tracy?  And was he using his influence with the four Council members who would soon after that lunch meeting vote against the staff recommendation for a new vendor to sway things in his favor?

 

I’m not making any accusations, but observing that meeting and the events that followed did not sit well with me.      



Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 1:01pm
"Hey pacman--we can all clean up our properties and our neighhborhoods on a daily basis. Easy to do, personally rewarding, and it can be contageous.
Why have publicity for simply doing the right thing?
No news there."
 
Gee Spider where have I heard that before....let me think.....Oh I have been saying that for a few months here.  Then there is no need for the Journal to flaunt the "Pride in Action" again....good.  Lets all take care of our properties and surrounding areas and move on to the more serious issues.  Sounds good to me, times a wasting.


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: makeadifference
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 6:50pm
I don't think it is fair to but all the blame on CONSOC - interview individuals on Sec 8 and the landlords and they will paint a picture telling you where the ball was dropped.  The city wanted the income they get from this program, but did not want any resposibility of working with CONSOC.  So now that there are complaints they don't want to take any blame.  You will find management cancelled several meeting with CONSOC to address issues.  The Housing Sub Committee asked the CDBG committee to review the proposals, but the city manager would not allow them to review the proposals when they came in.  Instead she created her own committee of individuals that would get rid of CONSOC. 


Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Apr 08 2009 at 10:03pm
Sounds like a landlord to me--wanting status quo.


Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Apr 09 2009 at 12:02am
swohio75:
  Looks like Dan Tracy owns some 80+ city properties according to BC website.
         Things that make you go Hmmmmm!


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 09 2009 at 12:57am

When the former Community Development Administrator assumed his new position with the City in January 2007, one of the first things he did was to revamp the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee.  In 2006 it met only twice and attendance at those "advisory" gatherings had dwindled to four and five of the thirteen members.

The revamped Committee included four "target area" residents, two mortgage banking officials, three real estate professionals, one consumer credit counseling agency representative, two City Council members, and the Economic Development Director.  It began meeting on a monthly basis and provided meaningful hands-on expertise in: preparing new guidelines/procedures for the Down Payment/Closing Cost Assistance Program; assisted in helping to establish monthly Home Buyer Education Classes; was provided detailed fiscal information regularly on the CDBG and HOME programs; and helped to facilitate a true citizen participation process in the preparation of the FY 2008 HUD Annual Action Plan.

In the first half of 2008 the Committee continued to work closely with him in: examining/correcting deficiencies in past Housing Rehabilitation Program loan management; exposing serious losses of HUD funds that had not been reported; and produced "final draft" guidelines/procedures to correct/prevent future problems with housing rehabilitation efforts.
 
In late July of 2008 the City Manager's "reorganization" of several departments served to gradually diminish his role in administering CDBG and HOME programs via directives of a new Community Revitalization Director.  Concurrently, the involvement of the Committee was no longer desired by the new regime as it met only one time in the following nine months for a hastily called "meeting."
 
The above summarizes the prevailing philosophy that city government knows what is best for the citizenry.  Sadly, these actions produce further distrust and lack of confidence in those who are well-paid to administer programs and provide needed services.
 
The truth will set the captives free!


Posted By: makeadifference
Date Posted: Apr 09 2009 at 10:04am
By the way I am not a landlord at all. Don't want to be either.  But go to the Housing sub commitee meetings and you will see what is going on.  You will learn a lot.  I spoke to individuals, it is the city that dropped the ball - if they would have been doing what they should have - there would not be issues today.  If the city would have communicated at anytime with CONSOC, issues could have been resolved.  You can not expect things to change if you do not have communication.  There were 4 bids for this contract - someone asks why they accepted the most expensive - look at the bids and you will know why.  One company had no experience in servicing this program at all.  When you look at the bids why don't you also find out why the city manager hand picked her committee instead of listening to the recommendation of the CDBG committee - they were requested by council to review the proposals.  The city manager stated in the meeting she would not provide the proposals to the CDBG committee.  That was stated by her in Oct.  Because that info was not going to provided - individuals took upon there self to find out what was going on - the problem was the city management dropped the ball - she did not want that to be found out.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 09 2009 at 11:10am
Didn't the City manager state Tuesday that the Holdup appears to be CONSOC's compensation, I would think CONSOC is worried about the Reduction in Vouchers that the City is attempting to implement.
 
Personally the Problem with the Section 8 in Middletown is the Over abundance of it compared to Middletown Population in the County. 
 
Who dropped the ball at this point is immaterial.  The main objective should be the reduction of Vouchers in Middletown ASAP.  As the Manager originally requested the program should have been turned over to the county and be done with it.


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: makeadifference
Date Posted: Apr 09 2009 at 4:25pm
A few years ago the council (many that are still there) were the ones that voted to add vouchers.  We do need a reduction - but how can that be done in todays economy. There is a waiting list a mile long of legitimate individuals with a need.  Can you put them on the street.  If they do away with a significant number of vouchers - quickly like they want to - then you will have a huge raise in homeless population. 
If there is a reduction CONSOC will lose compensation, so will the city.  Then the city inspectors will not be able to drive new trucks or have shiny new desks - this is where some of the city money went to - some of it they do not know where it is. 


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 09 2009 at 5:07pm
What does a waiting list of 500 people have to do with putting people on the Street.  Those people have to be living somewhere now, don't they.  If they want a Voucher from Middletown they have to be living in Middletown.   If the Vouchers turned over at the rate of one every 2 weeks it would take almost 5 years to get to the end of the waiting list.  That is ridicules.  Does anyone know the turnover rate? 
 
I have no problem turning the whole Section 8 voucher program over to the County.  Just what does Middletown hold for Section 8 receipients, any good jobs....NO.  Is it convienent for them to commute from here to West Chester if they have a job there...NO.  If you turn the program over to the County the Voucher Holder could live anywhere in the County housing is available and near their job.
 
Middletown has become the Go to place for Section 8 and a waiting list that is far to long.  The first thing I would do is trim the waiting list to 50 or so people/families, if we must keep the program.  Sorry but that is the way it is. 
 
You can not run the city based on 1662 people or families, it just doesn't work that way if you want to prosper as a City.
 
CONSOC I could careless about them as far as loosing money.  City Inspectors keep what we need the rest can go.  This is business.
 
As Mulligan said for the umpteenth time we must do what is best for the city as a whole, although many if not most of the time Council doesn't.
 
I have no problem dumping this whole program into the lap of The County as no one who currently has a voucher would lose it and those on the waiting list would have to go get on the Counties list, that is just the way it is.


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Posted By: makeadifference
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 8:44am
You would have more problems if Butler Metropolitan ran the show - that is why there proposal was not even considered.  They have more issues.  You do not have to live in Middletown to be on the waiting list.  The waiting list should be reduced - however for every voucher that is given they go thru about 20 interviews.  Some do not pass the background check - some do not finish there paperwork. 
What needs to be done is city and CONSOC to have better communication of what is expected.  Get rid of the individuals that have repeated police calls - put the families in these homes that deserve a chance - put requirements on them to help get them off Sec 8.  Only allow them to have a voucher for so long (unless disabled) then they lose it.    It should not be a way of life for people - it should be assistance in turbulent times.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 9:10am
City's Consultant:

"Wayne Chapman, former Director of Housing for the City of Cincinnati, with Management Partners Incorporated stated he was retained by the City of Middletown to help determine whether there are better choices than what the City currently has.

Background points worth noting is that Middletown is one of two municipal authorities in Ohio. Middletown has 1,663 Section 8 vouchers – approximately 960 vouchers in the rest of the County. The contract to administer expires August of 2008. When they began working with staff, goals were to determine objectives that would provide more choices for people that use Section 8 vouchers; more housing choices; better matches for employment and social services; more choices for schools; create a regional cooperative effort; reduce the City’s administrative burden and maintain affordable housing in Butler County.

Current program concerns were listed: choices limited to Middletown; administrative burden on City Staff and Council; demand on social services delivery; demand on schools; highly complex; heavily regulated and requires intense oversight.

Options were analyzed: contract with current vendor; contract with new vendor; administer with City employees; transfer vouchers to Butler County Housing Authority.

The analysis outcome was: transferring the vouchers to Butler County Metropolitan Housing Authority is the only option that achieves Middletown Housing Agency objectives. The advantages of transferring the vouchers include: provides more decent, safe, sanitary housing choices; initiates regional cooperative effort; more opportunities to match social service needs; more opportunities to match employment needs; more opportunities to match school needs; reduces the City’s administrative burden; maintains affordable housing throughout the county; does not require current recipients to move and provides housing oriented Board oversight.

Disadvantages of other options were also discussed. Recipients must live in Middletown initially. There is some disparity because preference is given to Middletown residents on the voucher program. Limiting the choice if you do live outside of Middletown and you do get a voucher you have to move into Middletown for at least one year. There is some effort and expense in moving again so this tends to limit choices. The objective is to provide more choices."



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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 9:20am
makeadifference- your post has alot of good points. The problem some of us have is the AMOUNT of Section 8 in the city. The 1662 Section 8 number for the city is over double the amount this city is suppose to have. The question often raised is why this city seems to want an overabundance of this housing that only drives this city deeper in the hole as to image and destitution. Freedom Court by Lefferson Park-- I wonder how long some of those people have been living there. Three/ Four/maybe Five or more years???? Reduce the number of people to 700 from 1662. Send the remainder out into the other communities in Butler County, audit the time span of each Section 8 resident in this city. If they've been there for 3,4,5 or more years, they must leave as they have demonstrated no desire to upgrade their situation. They've had their chance and blew it. After this purge, restrict the number of vouchers so as to control the number to 700 max. Section 8 injects a cancer into a community by reducing the median income, lowers the academic success, lowers the image, increases crime and lowers econ. development potential. This is the LAST thing Middletown needs in the shape it's in.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 9:32am
Makeadifference why don't they pre-screen the people on the waiting list and only have those that can qualify to actually get a voucher?

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 10:22am
To me--the ? is why it should take 3 more months to iron out this contract with an organization that has been in place here operating this program for many years.
What is the hold up? Sticking points? and wy did the recently placed administrator abruptly retire with little to no publicity or fanfare?
 
As usual, there has to be more to this than has been revealed.
 
Hey Mr.P-----I have never taken my eye off of the ball, and am focused on what we both see as the most serious community issue(s). Just nothing more to say about it at this time, but when it all gets back in action, there will be no surprises(hopefully--but we can't be sure and actually we should prepare for surprises).


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 11:15am
Who is Mr. P-----?

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 1:05pm

HUD Office of the Inspector General - Washington, D.C.

Sample of External Audit Reports - State of Ohio
 
Issue Date: January 28, 2009
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0951003.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2009-CH-1003
File Size: 787.69KB
Title: The Portage Metropolitan Housing Authority, Ravenna, Ohio, Improperly Operated Its Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher Program
 
Issue Date: September 26, 2008
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0851015.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2008-CH-1015
File Size: 122.59KB
Title: The City of Dayton, Ohio, Lacked Adequate Controls Regarding Staff Salaries Paid from Its Community Development Block Grant Program
 
Issue Date: September 26, 2008
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0851014.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2008-CH-1014
File Size: 584.59KB
Title:The City of Cincinnati, Ohio, Did Not Adequately Manage Its HOME Investment Partnerships Program
 
Issue Date: September 23, 2008
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0851012.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2008-CH-1012
File Size: 549.86KB
Title: The Cincinnati Metropolitan Housing Authority, Cincinnati, Ohio, Did Not Effectively Operate Its Section 8 Housing Quality Standards Inspection Program
 
Issue Date: June 30, 2008
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0851011.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2008-CH-1011
File Size: 292.80KB
Title: The Portage Metropolitan Housing Authority, Ravenna, Ohio, Needs to Improve Its Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher Program Administration
 
Issue Date: June 11, 2008
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0851010.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2008-CH-1010
File Size: 2.23MB
Title: The City of Cincinnati, Ohio Lacked Adequate Controls over Its System Reporting and Rental Rehabilitation Projects for Its HOME Investment Partnerships Program
 
Issue Date: September 30, 2007
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0751017.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2007-CH-1017
File Size: 192.3MB
Title: The City of Cincinnati, Ohio Lacked Adequate Controls over Its HOME Investment Partnerships Program
 
Issue Date: September 20, 2007
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0751013.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2007-CH-1013
File Size: 188.26KB
Title: The Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority, Hamilton, Ohio, Lacked Adequate Controls over Its Homeownership Proceeds

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s (HUD) Office of Inspector General audited the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority’s (Authority) 5(h) homeownership (5(h)) and its Turnkey III Homeownership Opportunity (Turnkey III) programs (programs). We selected the Authority based on a risk analysis showing that it may have improperly used the programs’ funds. Our objectives were to determine whether the Authority properly accounted for and used its programs’ proceeds in accordance with HUD requirements.

The Authority failed to properly account for nearly $400,000 of the programs’ proceeds for more than five years because it commingled the proceeds with funds in its retained earnings account. The $400,000 consisted of more than $166,000 in 5(h) sales proceeds from four properties sold between May 1997 and October 1998 and nearly $232,000 in Turnkey III proceeds. It also did not use the 5(h) proceeds in a timely manner. As a result, the programs’ proceeds were not used to assist low- and moderate-income families.

We informed the Authority’s executive director, the director of HUD’s Cleveland Office of Public Housing, and the director of HUD’s Columbus Office of Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity of minor deficiencies through a memorandum, dated September 18, 2007.

We recommend that the director of HUD’s Cleveland Office of Public Housing require the Authority to transfer from its retained earnings account to the applicable accounts the 5(h) and Turnkey III proceeds plus earned interest, submit a proposal(s) for HUD’s approval on how the programs’ proceeds will be used, and implement procedures and controls to ensure that the proceeds are used to support the development of affordable housing for low- and moderate-income families in accordance with HUD’s requirements.

Issue Date: June 19, 2007
http://www.hud.gov/utilities/intercept.cfm?/offices/oig/reports/files/ig0751008.pdf - Audit Report No.: 2007-CH-1008
File Size: 667.28KB
Title: The Dayton Metropolitan Housing Authority, Dayton, Ohio, Did Not Effectively Operate Its Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher Program 


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 1:34pm
So Truth this means what, that BMH 2 years ago sold some property and put the funds in the wrong account? So................

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 2:05pm
Each year HUD - Cleveland performs a so-called Section Eight Managment Assessment Performance (SEMAP) evaluation of all Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher Program administrators.  You would find it interesting to learn of the evaluations that Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority (BMHA) received in recent years.  It might make you wonder why they were even recommended to take over the program in the first place??


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 2:24pm
I would assume they were recommended to get it out of Middletown and to hopefully improve our image.  The problems that BMH may have are probably no worse than many other Housing Authorities across the country.  Personally it doesn't interest me what their issues are.  I would just like a reduction in the mess we have and to spread some of it to other municipalities in the County.
 
So you are of the opinion that having more Section 8 per capitia than NY City has is a good thing?  I don't see how.  I don't believe it is Middletown's job to take care of all of the people who have the Misfortune to find themselves living in poverty in Butler County.  If it is such a wonderful thing I am more than happy to share the wealth.
 
As long as Middletown continues to grow its poverty rate, the city will continue to decline and have the reputation that it does.


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 10 2009 at 7:11pm

Pacman -

It's unfortunate that you "apparently" failed to comprehend basic English communication and then twisted what I presented by unfairly and incorrectly determining my opinions!
 
May you and yours have a joyous Easter Sunday.
 
The truth will set the captives free!


Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 4:26am

Hold the phone!!!

Truthteller's posts are boring (even more boring than some of mine, and that is no easy feat), and quite esoteric for the most part, but re-read them two or three times and it sounds as if he surely knows what he's talking about.
 
Perhaps we should be paying a little more attention to this newcomer??


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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 6:18am
TruthTeller if I misinterpreted your opinion/reason for posting about BMH please clarify your position.  I have seen reports on Housing Authorities across the country which have similar problems as BMH has had, so I don't exactly find BMH's problems anything out of the ordinary and certainly nothing to disqualify them from taking over Middletown's Section 8 program.  This seems to be backed up by the fact that the City Manager and the Cities Consultant recommending that the Section 8 program be turned over to BMH also.
 
Search for all the reports you want across the USA:
 
http://www.hud.gov/offices/oig/reports/oigsearch.cfm - http://www.hud.gov/offices/oig/reports/oigsearch.cfm
 
Are you a proponent of keeping Section 8 in Middletown as it is or what is your position?  Your posts appear to make the case that you feel BMH should not be taking over the Section 8 program, at least that is what I am getting out of it.
 
Your disparaging comments are uncalled for toward anyone on this board.  A simple clarification on your part would have sufficed?Thumbs%20Down
 


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 6:59am
Correct, Mike--it is encouraging to read new and informational screen names around here. Hopefully the flow of ideas and good data will grow. We need it.
 
The level of trust,communication and interaction between the citizens,elected officials and admin seems to be at an all-time low. Municipal boards made up of able-bodied/minded willing citizens are having their opinions/recommendaions blown off or ignored completely. Same with Council towards admin and vice versa.
 
The air is ripe for sweeping changes, particularly in the faces downtown and the methods of communication.
 
Mayor Mulligan says that Council/admin is "not set up to answer citizen ?s"?
Council meetings are the only REAL opportunity for such, and with TVM present, offer the perfect setting for proper ?s and answers, then covered by video and print media to get the info to the public.
 
Council, while touting unification and progess, is now very long-winded and as disfunctional and non-productive as ever.
 
MMF--this group-a united effort(preferable)--what ever it takes to change what is not really functioning into something we can all work towards.


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 7:49am

Now, now fellow citizens..…I think we all should send Mr. Kohler a THANK YOU card, after all he is responsible for the BOOM of Section 8 housing in Middletown. Yes sir, that was all part of the 5 Year Plan to put Middletown on the map.



Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 8:10am
It appears in this 5 year plan from BMHA that they are aware of any deficiencies and are going to try to improve it.  Whether they do or not is another story.
 
http://www.butlermetro.org/08%20Annual%20Plan.pdf - http://www.butlermetro.org/08%20Annual%20Plan.pdf
 
This document shows that as late as 2007 the Administration had requested funds to increase Middletowns Section 8 vouchers to 1759.  Why this never happened is not clear.
 
http://www.cbpp.org/files/3-13-06hous-oh.pdf - http://www.cbpp.org/files/3-13-06hous-oh.pdf


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 8:45am
The second link that you provided (request for increase in vouchers to 1759) is dated March 2006.  It appears to be a part of a nationwide FY 2007 congressional increased Section 8 appropriations request and most likely was not approved.  And by the way, please save your mind reading for someone else.


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 9:37am

I think it is pretty clear from my post that I stated it was not clear why this was turned down..  It could have been an unfunded request, the increase could have been denied by Congress, etc.  The fact of the matter is there was at least a request for additonal Vouchers by someone.

As far as Mind reading, what the hell is your bitch now.  I asked you politely to clarify you position, obviously you have an issue with stating your position on the issue.

Maybe you are associated with CONSOC or the City and prefer not to have a position in this matter.  But get off my A$$ if you are not willing to make your position clear.


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 11 2009 at 10:22am

So TruthTeller what is BMHA's SEMAP Score obviously it is below 90%?  I have seen some agencies in the 40's and Warren County is a High Performer, so what is BMHA's score?  At one time they were being reviewed HUD's Troubled Agency Recovery Center, but that was in 2003, they must have improved some to still be in business.  It appears that most of their troubles stemmed form their leadership or lack there of:

Friday, January 17, 2003
HUD faults housing agency's head

Report says Blaine and board lack expertise and training

By Jennifer Edwards
The Cincinnati Enquirer

HAMILTON - A federal report released Thursday found several major flaws in finances, reporting, tracking and other practices at the troubled Butler County Metropolitan Housing Authority.

The agency must update its computer system and policies and turn around vacant units faster, the review says. An estimated 400 people are on a waiting list.

What's more, the authority lacks leadership and qualified staff and board members, the 35-page report states.

EXCERPTS FROM FINDINGS
BMHA does not maintain a specific log to track vacant turnaround.

Day-to-day management of the leasing functions is hampered by the lack of leadership, training and communications. Some staff has had no training.

With the exception of the most recent grant, BMHA's grants all have negative balances in several budget line items. This means that BMHA has expended funds on work items not included in the approved budget, and is the result of BMHA's failure to obtain HUD approval for budget revisions.

An employee, the leasing director, has been on months of paid administrative leave. This is highly disruptive to operations - the staff has inadequate leadership, the agency incurs personnel expenses without getting any performance, and the situation sets a poor precedent for future personnel actions.

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development review gives the agency a year to complete its recommended improvements to come out of its current "troubled" status. Only one other housing authority in the state has been declared troubled, HUD officials said Thursday.

Leonard M. "Tony" Blaine, the housing authority's executive director, says he needs more time, employees and money to meet the deadline.

He remained confident on Thursday, however, that the agency could correct the problems.

"Overall, this is doable and we will do everything they tell us to do," Mr. Blaine said. "We just need to negotiate with them the time frame and get more money. I am not discouraged that this is something we can't do. It's just making sure we have enough time."

But HUD officials said they could not give the housing authority any more time, money or people. Suggestions to shift staffing to better oversee the authority were made in the report, they noted.

The review says that Mr. Blaine, who has been executive director since June 2000, is "relatively inexperienced" for an authority of this size because he has had no prior public housing management experience. He became the executive director after serving as a commissioner on the housing authority board for about two years, according to the report.

Mr. Blaine said that was inaccurate; he served on the board about nine years, from 1990 to 1999. He has a bachelor of science degree in business administration.

The review also found that authority board members have had little or no formal training in their roles or in HUD program requirements. They are experiencing "significant differences of opinions internally" and "need to work on being a more cohesive unit."

"The board's inexperience and inability to work together leads to poor choices and allows major issues (to) go un-addressed," the report says.

Butler County Commissioners Mike Fox and Courtney Combs have publicly criticized the authority, and Mr. Combs has suggested "housecleaning" to get it back into federal compliance.

Mr. Combs called Thursday for Mr. Blaine and the board members to quickly fix the problems or resign.

"The sad thing about this is that the agency is not providing housing for the people who need it, and it's evident by the backlog that they have," Mr. Combs said.

"We have little authority over them, but I believe the commissioners must take some positive action to ensure we can get this agency turned around and providing for those who need the housing."

The federal review, conducted in November, was prompted by the agency's low score on a federal performance evaluation, as well as complaints about personnel issues, operating procedures and record keeping.

The housing authority, which provides subsidized housing to eligible households in the county, has about 3,000 people living in 1,300 units in 18 developments in Hamilton and Middletown.

The agency has an annual operating budget of $2.8 million and a capital fund of $5.9 million for building repairs and renovations - all federal money.

Residents waiting to get into one of the agency's units Thursday said they needed its help.

"I need a place to lay my head," said DeobrahWilder, 41, of Hamilton, as she filled out a housing application. "For once in my life, I need help. I have never been in this place in my life, but I'll take any assistance I can get."

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So if your complaint is BMHA's low SEMAP score, whatever that may be, lets turn 662 of the vouchers over to Warren County and since BMHA's goal this year is to request more vouchers from HUD anyways, hey lets accomodate them and give them say 1000. 
 
Since Middletown is trying to get rid of at least 800+/- vouchers, has Council put in a request to BMHA for a seat on their Board?


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: wannaknow
Date Posted: Apr 18 2009 at 6:45pm

I don't know if the Dublin House is section 8 or just reduced cost housing for the senoirs. My uncle lives there and they told him last week everyone will be moved to another location. Anyone know what is going on there? Are they going to tear that building down? It must have some historical value. It was the police station when I was a child, a long time ago.



Posted By: Truth Teller
Date Posted: Apr 18 2009 at 8:04pm
Wanna Know -
 
According to Marty Kohler the Dublin House is a so-called FHA Section 202 Elderly Housing development.  I do not know this for a fact as he typically didn't share such details with me.
 
I also know that Mr. Kohler had communications last year with someone regarding an application for Low Income Housing Tax Credits involving that property.  This is what he told me as I was not permitted to sit in for any meetings.
 
He mentioned that the LIHTC applicant was seeking $250,000 in HOME Program funds from the City.  It was my understanding that he spoke with Judy Gilleland about this.  Again, I was not a part of their conversations.
 
I wish that I could tell you more, but this is all that I know.  Mr. Kohler tended to keep alot of things close to the vest even if they involved my position with the city.
 
I hope that this helps.
 
Nelson Self
 
"The truth will set the captives free Judy!"


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 19 2009 at 8:29am
Why is it Kohler's name is at the top of the list for most issues that citizens have with the City..........hmmmmmmmmmm?  Does Kohler have far to much power at City Hall?  Does the City Manager rely on Kohler to much and give him far to much leeway to do as he likes in the City?
 
Is Kohler behind a significant number of the issues in Middletown?  Did Kohler use Grant monies to refurb his home which is pictured in this link in the last two pictures?  Seems to be a lot of questions surrounding Kohler and no answers.
 
http://www.robertpence.com/oh_middletown/oh_middletown.html - http://www.robertpence.com/oh_middletown/oh_middletown.html
 


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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Apr 21 2009 at 9:10am
New contract with CONSOC- city gets 22% CONSOC gets 78%- is this really worth it for the city to be in the Section 8 business versus all the problems the program creates? If CONSOC gets $85,000 per month to administer to 1662 vouchers, and, IF the city reduces the voucher numbers to 700, will they still pay CONSOC the $85,000? If so, why? CONSOC would be doing less administrative work. Shouldn't this be pro-rated to account for any reductions in voucher numbers during the length of the contract? Did the city think of this while negotiating with CONSOC?


Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Apr 27 2009 at 9:57am
Comparison:  Middletown's HUD Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers & Public Housing Units and Three Larger Cities
 
MIDDLETOWN, OHIO - population 53,000 (2008 estimate) - 1,662 Housing Choice Vouchers - ?? Public Housing Units
 
YONKERS, NEW YORK - population 196,425 (2005) - 2,157 Housing Choice Vouchers and 2042 Public Housing Units
 
SALEM, OREGON - population 154,510 (2008) - 2,764 Housing Choice Vouchers and 646 Public Housing Units
 
TACOMA, WASHINGTON - 200,000 (2008 estimate) - 3,600 Housing Choice Vouchers and 1,500 Public Housing Units
 
The above is a wonderful (not) example of the work (??) of our City Planners!  Angry


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Apr 27 2009 at 10:32am
Perplexed you are right on again, Middletown has about 1 Section Choice Voucher for every 31 Citizens.  I have yet to find another City with a Ratio like that, not even NEW YORK CITY.  For this we pay these people in the 6 figures, you have got to be kidding me.  Personally I would have fired a few of them long ago for getting us into this mess with Section 8. Thumbs%20Down

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Apr 27 2009 at 11:50am
The Bengals management gurus should have chosen Queen Judy in one of the early rounds of this past weekend's NFL player draft!  She's been remarkable in protecting those who have negatively impacted our City and were involved in the waste of hundreds of thousands of HUD dollars!


Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Apr 27 2009 at 12:11pm
To all concerned Middletown citizens -
 
Let's start a Pacman for City Council campaign!
 
He's exactly what we need to reform our broken and elitist form of local government!


Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Apr 29 2009 at 12:56am
It was learned today from a reliable source that the Board of Directors of the Middletown Public Housing Agency (City Council) is supposedly meeting this coming Friday.  No details are known at this point relative to the agenda, time and place of the meeting.  Presumably, the usual senior city staff will also be present along with CONSOC representatives.  Stay tuned. Confused


Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:52am

Section 8, front yard parking on council agenda (Extra HUD dollars for senior city staff to enhance staffing??)

By Ed Richter
Staff Writer
10:38 PM Monday, May 4, 2009

Middletown City Council is expected to approve a new three-year contract for the administration of its Section 8 housing choice voucher program when it meets today, May 5.

Council is expected to approve the contract with CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus which includes a number of changes that the city has sought, including a lower fee to administer the more than 1,660 federal vouchers to provide housing for low- and moderate-income residents.

Under the prior contract, CONSOC received 87 percent of the $11 million in funds the city receives yearly from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, while Middletown got the remaining 13 percent.

The new agreement, however, increases Middletown’s portion of the federal funding to 22 percent and drops CONSOC to 78 percent, or roughly $85,000 per month.

Mills said increasing the city’s portion of the HUD funding was key to offsetting costs associated with other changes in the contract.

Other changes include the city or a third-party doing housing inspections as well as enhanced background checks for renters and landlords as well as better public access to public housing records kept by the firm.

In other business, council will hear the first reading of an amended ordinance concerning the parking of vehicles in front or side yards.

The proposed changes will allow vehicles to be parked in the front yard for up to three hours for washing or waxing of the vehicle, according to the proposed ordinance.

The ordinance also would allow temporary parking in certain circumstances, including up to six hours during an event when the driveway or street parking cannot accommodate the additional vehicles.

The proposed ordinance change will have the first offense as a minor misdemeanor but the penalty could be upgraded depending on the number of offenses that are committed.

City officials have said police won’t be looking for offenses and most likely infractions will come as the result of a complaint by a neighbor. The penalty would be a fine and would not include any jail time.

Council will also have a first reading on its contract with TV Middletown.

Middletown City Council will meet at 5:30 p.m. today in the Council Chambers on the lower level of the Middletown City Building, One Donham Plaza.



Posted By: Nelson R. Self
Date Posted: Feb 14 2010 at 11:28am
In view of the forthcoming senior City staff presentation on the HUD Five-Year Plan this coming Tuesday, I thought that MiddletownUSA member might find it interesting to read this April 9, 2009 posting.  Sad to say, the absence of transparency and accountability from certain senior City staff still exists!!
 
Originally posted by Truth Teller Truth Teller wrote:

When the former Community Development Administrator assumed his new position with the City in January 2007, one of the first things he did was to revamp the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee.  In 2006 it met only twice and attendance at those "advisory" gatherings had dwindled to four and five of the thirteen members.

The revamped Committee included four "target area" residents, two mortgage banking officials, three real estate professionals, one consumer credit counseling agency representative, two City Council members, and the Economic Development Director.  It began meeting on a monthly basis and provided meaningful hands-on expertise in: preparing new guidelines/procedures for the Down Payment/Closing Cost Assistance Program; assisted in helping to establish monthly Home Buyer Education Classes; was provided detailed fiscal information regularly on the CDBG and HOME programs; and helped to facilitate a true citizen participation process in the preparation of the FY 2008 HUD Annual Action Plan.

In the first half of 2008 the Committee continued to work closely with him in: examining/correcting deficiencies in past Housing Rehabilitation Program loan management; exposing serious losses of HUD funds that had not been reported; and produced "final draft" guidelines/procedures to correct/prevent future problems with housing rehabilitation efforts.
 
In late July of 2008 the City Manager's "reorganization" of several departments served to gradually diminish his role in administering CDBG and HOME programs via directives of a new Community Revitalization Director.  Concurrently, the involvement of the Committee was no longer desired by the new regime as it met only one time in the following nine months for a hastily called "meeting."
 
The above summarizes the prevailing philosophy that city government knows what is best for the citizenry.  Sadly, these actions produce further distrust and lack of confidence in those who are well-paid to administer programs and provide needed services.
 
The truth will set the captives free!


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Feb 14 2010 at 1:34pm
Nelson Comments in the proposed 5 year plan go even farther to show that the Citizens, local business owners and groups opinions are of no value to City leaders if it doesn't fall lockstep into what they want.  In otherwords if you don't agree with us we don't care.  We are pushing forward with a plan that can't be accomplished because it is underfund by 90% and we probably don't have the concensus of the majority of the public is "not critical to success."   
 
From the proposed 5 year plan:
 
"Obstacles to Meeting Underserved Needs"

"1. Obstacles to meeting these goals include a lack of funding availability. It is estimated that to address all of the property needs in Middletown, we would require 10 times the current funding available. Leadership of the program at a City Council and staff level must be strong and consistent. Building consensus throughout the community is important but not critical to success. The City must take the initiative and move the city forward."

 


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Feb 14 2010 at 1:54pm
As far as Section 8 is concerned"
 
From the 5 year plan:
 
"Section 8 Voucher Program"

"For more than 30 years, the Middletown Public Housing Agency, one of two municipal housing agencies, has managed the voucher program. Currently, the city, through its contracted administrator, CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus, manages 1,663 housing choice vouchers or about 7 percent of Middletown's households. This represents about 56 percent of the housing choice vouchers in Butler County, condensed over 15 percent of the county's population. The program presently has 1,548 active housing choice vouchers servicing 608 handicapped/disabled households, which account for 39 percent of the vouchers. There are 281 male head of households, or 18 percent, and 1,267 female head of households, or 82 percent. The average income is $10,841. BMHA is assigned 960 housing choice vouchers for qualifying low income residents for Section 8 federal rent assistance. In October 2009, for the first time in five years, BMHA’s waiting list was opened for preapplications and 2,300 people applied in six hours. BMHA still has 70 people remaining on its waiting list from five years ago.

The elderly, disabled and veterans have first priority when vouchers become available. Taken as a whole, the City of Middletown has approximately 3,600 subsidized housing units to assist low income residents."

Lets see 3600 Public Housing units and using Consoc's 2.5 persons per Section 8 voucher gives us 9000 individuals living below the poverty level.  Now the 2008 U.S. Census estimate for the population of Middletown is about 48500.  If you do a little math here you will come up with 18.56% of Middletown's poverty stricken population living in Public Housing and the U.S. Census estimates the poverty level in Middletown at 22%.
 
Further, who are the people that got us into this mess in the first place.  Past City Council and Admins and the current Admin and Council probably contain individuals involved in creating this mess.  Now we have a City Government who is saying so what if the Public doesn't agree with what we are doing screw them.



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