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Eleven, I guess you need a refresher course on civil liberties. If you'll note on my post to Viet Vet, what was written and has been so far upheld in court, is that you cannot compel someone to incriminate themselves as a condition of assistance. As for proving your point... what exactly IS your point that I'm somehow proving?

Perhaps TonyB's point of self-incrimination for the purpose of receiving assistance would be a moot point if we could do a surprise audit of the home of the recipient of the assistance to verify the real need and immediately remove said recipient from receiving the taxpayer handouts if found to be in violation of the program. IMO, people who receive taxpayer assistance money, and are in violation, have, in this situation, given up all civil liberties and have no rights. It would not be a debate if we could see the real intent of some of these people. More "kinder/gentler" crap from the bleeding hearts helping out the "one's in need", resulting in con games from some of the participants.

Government intrusion in your life can't be a good thing because everything the government touches turns into a cluster.... , no matter what the level.