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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Posted: Dec 22 2016 at 10:34am |
Their performance at Tuesday's council meeting was pathetic, and if anything continued the perception that Middletown is not business-friendly.
I get wanting to hold people accountable for their development agreements. But their grandstanding over the 1316 Vail property was pitiful, especially as Ms. Bronston was trying to negotiate with Mr. Robinnete from the Council Chambers--unacceptable as well as micro-managing Doug. I mean seriously, it looked like a pissing match over a couple hundred of dollars. Utterly embarrassing. You can say what you will about Robinette's performance as a city employee or or the city's real estate deals, but he has made movement on both Central Ave and Vail properties. Robinette was even present to explain why he wasn't able to meet the original timeline (bringing a new/additional use to the site with One Market as well as not receiving possession of the building as outline in the agreement with the City). I get that Council wants some sort of accountability with these development agreement especially with the Rose, Manchester and Snider properties. But this looked like a personal vendetta against Robinette. |
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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These two are a joke.
Like frick and frack |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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hey middielover--where have you been?
I answered your ?s about my personal business activities 40+ years ago yet you ignored my similar ?s about your activities Face up to things Maybe quit being an insulting negative trollette? Personally not a big fan of Council in general, however it might be time for the downtowners to face up to their promises and obligations in regard to the taxpayer-funded slush funds, and I believe that this one happened on Bronston's and Bohannon's watch. Not that Mr.Robinette is a prime target--at least he is working towards something. Caveat being that I did not watch the meeting or read any narrative. No mention in the local news online or in print.
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Spider
Just finished watching council meeting. You need to view it. Why take Robinette to task when there has clearly been substantial progress yet allow out of town owner of Manchester Inn buildings to do nothing for 3 years? Bronston and Bohannon are clueless. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Wow--we fundamentally agree
Still--you have to start somewhere, and these situations have festered far too long imo |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Just watched the council meeting out of curiosity. The council discussion, after Robinette made his statements, was like watching the "who's on first" routine from Abbott and Costello. A jumbled conversation between five council members with a periodic comment from Adkins seemed to reveal a tenuous and sometimes awkward discussion at best. Even included a thousand dollar offer from Picard to keep the ball rolling on the project.
After more discussion and a realization that the city sent paperwork to Robinette later than was expected, the five wonders decided to vote again, unanimously approving the ordinance and moving the downtown business project ahead. I guess it took awhile to realize that a few hundred bucks wasn't a good reason to hinder a project costing and yielding much more than that amount. This should have been apparent early on in the conversation. We still don't have continuity and clear thinking on council after decades of trying do we. Is this the best Middletown can do as to the quality of council member candidates? I'll go a step further to suggest that not only Bohannon and Bronston should go........hell, they all should go as we still have a hint of the Schiavone/Williams days in place. We all remember those days on the council comedy circuit don't we? |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Bronston and Bohannon are not business friendly to local investors but don't question giving tax breaks to multi million dollar businesses from out of town.
Why give tax abatement to an auto parts retailer? |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Or anyone who isn't adding a good number of living wage full-time positions.
It's not like we are flush with cash and providing high quality basic services Or are we flush with cash? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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spiderjohn
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Take Picard's $$$!!!!
And same for similar lagging projects! What an insane offer-solution! |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Spider
I have heard enough of this crap I dare the Downtowners to read the contract written and approved by the last council for the Manchester and Snyder buildings, Mercy, a high school drop-out could have written a better contract...NO PERFORMANCE CONDITIONS WHAT SO EVER! We have three council members that demanded conditions to the Robinette give away contract and now they are being slammed for doing the right thing. These council members should be given a gold star and a big thank you. |
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Vivian
If the city owns a building that is condemned and will be expensive to tear down and someone is willing to take the building and makes repairs so that it is usable, how is that a give away? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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middielover
Are we talking about the Robinette deal? If so, City Hall should not have purchased the cabinet shop property on Vail for $95,000 so they could move their business to begin with. Then City Hall added the empty lots that face Central Ave, plus tax credits. |
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Vivian
While I might agree with you about the city's purchase the fact is they did. So my question to you once again is: If the city can unload a building which is condemned and avoid the tear down cost in exchange for someone investing in restoring the building isnt' t that a good (even smart) thing to do? |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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The building was not condemned at time of purchase, and was functioning as a cabinet shop.
You honestly need to trace this back to the beginning to understand the amazing journey that has led us to this point. You couldn't make up anything as crazy as the reality. |
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Vivian Moon
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Spider
In my first post I forgot to include the purchase of the mission on Central Ave for $120,000 by City Hall and then demo cost that were also part of the Robinette give away... This was more than a give away....this was a gift with a big bow on top of tax payers money. And how many jobs is this gift going to produce? |
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Vivian Moon
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Vivian
No answer to my question! |
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What A City
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 06 2009 Status: Offline Points: 115 |
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I'd like to interject if I may here and offer a viewpoint....... Let's start by getting one thing out of the way here.... "If the city owns a building"....The city has repeatedly said that they were "getting out of the real estate business". They have made that remark many times in the past. Return question to middielover's question. Why is the city still buying buildings using the taxpayer's money? The city has purchased several buildings in the past where there were no takers. The Studio Theatre comes to mind here with the million dollar price tag to remove the asbestos. The Manchester was purchased using taxpayer money with a city asking price of 350 thou.....no takers and GIVEN AWAY for a buck with little to no work done on it since that time. The Thatcher Estate buildings were purchased using taxpayer money. Out of that purchase, the old CG&E building is currently being used by CS, the old Barnitz bank building sat for years before a buyer was found (Walden wasn't it?)and the First National Bank building on the corner of Central and Main has had a few tenants over the years. The old Seniors Center was purchased at 130 grand and has sat empty for years now. (Wasn't it given back to the city after some buyer backed out?) Don't remember. And hey, how about the Rose building fiasco to date? That is one giant cluster....Oh, and the old Journal building hasn't been a Sunday stroll in it's development either. And, of course, there's always the old "car hood" PAC, the "flagship of success" in the downtown. Again, using taxpayer money, it was set up with the city purchase of the old John Ross/Armco Steel building and converted into arts studios for their artzy buddies. It has been a revolving door of tenants to date also. And then there are the Moormans with the 75 thou dollar city loan and the old GC Murphy building giveaway.(Was that ever repaid?) A lot of activity but few success stories. Even the most optimistic would honestly have to do a double take on the transaction history in the downtown area. The point is, IF the city did what it said it was going to do....IE, "Get out of the real estate business", none of this would be an issue because any property transactions would be made in the private sector domain and the city would be totally out of the picture. Instead, the city leaders keep purchasing property downtown to control who eventually moves into that property to protect their little dream of an artzy, "cultural" utopia. (which will never work by the way simply because it will never be accepted by 95% of the people living here). We are blue collar, proud of it and not exactly the most "cultured" people to satisfy the downtown dream of a few people who have no clue what Middletown demographics are all about. JMO |
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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What a great city,
What a great post and you have done a great service to the city taxpayers letting them know how their money is continuously wasted and misappropriated by concentrating mostly on the down town with city investment. It has not paid off and demonstrates a lack of knowledge about how to grow a city when its main business leaves. Now we have Ak Steel, Suncoke and the new gas line company. These make the city environmentally dirty and unsafe and will keep a lot of people and businesses from moving in. We have a city manager who is a lawyer who did a lot of harm to many people with Judy Gilliland. Council ignored any candidates who had experience and were qualified to manage a city like Middletown. They chose a lawyer who knows nothing about it and is feeling his way along and keeps wasting money in the name of his "plan". The "Pet Projects" and personal protection and benefits to a few need to be stopped. This next election time is the best opportunity we have had in many years to throw the current regime out and let some new younger business people get in and grow Middletown. We have some great younger talent in the city now if we can just get them in the right position. Everyone's vote is more important than ever. But I repeat, this is the time. The Chamber needs to have a plan and take action. Thank you again for such an informative post Paul Nagy |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Vivian middielover Is the property residential or business property that
will produce jobs?
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