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whistlersmom
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 11 2016 Status: Offline Points: 722 |
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Council and Dougie should reimburse the citizens for the $95,000 loss on the Vail property. A two and one half times reimbursment (voted in by council for everyone) would amount to $237,500. If council and Dougie had hired someone to maintain their property, maybe Rose Furniture bldg., the Ormond bldg. and the building on Vail would not have had the roofs collapse. Of course, hiring more inspectors to abuse our elderly property owners was more important than maintaining their property. Maintaining the infrastucture (including city owned buildings) is a fiduciary responsibility ignored by this council.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Oh Whislersmom,
it's more money than just the $95,000...it's also the two improved lots with the nice wrought iron fence out front plus the 10 year tax.
But no one at City Hall can understand why we are going broke. |
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Let's be clear, the 10-year tax abatement is for 1357 Central Ave, and is exempts from property taxes any improvements made to the building that increases its taxable value.
Vail property is not included as part of the CRA agreement. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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S T A F F R E P O R T
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Updated: 11:55 p.m.
Tuesday, March 15, 2016 | Posted: 7:53 p.m. Tuesday, March 15, 2016
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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lol--like investing $50,000 to opening a bizness is something unique--probably so down there in Doug's special area
thanks to Mr. Moon for having enough character to resist "the force" u da man, Tal!
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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I watched the YouTube video of council meeting this morning. Moon voted against the 10 yr abatement valued at about a toal of $6,000. Moon then later in the meeting voted to wave $16,000 in tap in fees for a Buffalo Wild Wing at the old mall. Seems Moon's free market principles are highly flexible. |
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Purely strategic move on Tal's part.
CRA is available to an property owner wanting to make improvements in the CRA area. Exemption is for any improvements made to the building that increases the building's taxable value. |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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sw75, completely disagree with your assessment.
Mr. Moon was not sufficiently provided reassurance the business plan presented supported an underpinning confidence Liberty Spirits would be a success. More importantly, he knew the property was valued more than $5,000, therefore requiring by state revised code and local codified ordinance, a bidding process. H therefore made the correct decision, the only one on council to do so. Too bad JL and TM aren't around to jointly serve or the rubber-stamp mindset would be derailed. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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I disagree.
He voted FOR the Vail property transfer from the city at $1. He voted AGAINST the CRA tax exemption for the Central Ave property, which was acquired from a non-public entity. Regardless if LS is a success, the CRA deals only with increased value of the property based on improvements made.
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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From what I saw of the meeting, Robinette was present to answer questions. Moon asked no question on either the CRA abatement or the $16,000 in fees forgiven to the Wings project.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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I pretty much agree with all of you, and I did not watch or hear about the proceedings(other than the arm-twisting prior to the decision).
Disappointed with how a couple of Council members voted, but not surprised at all. Don't see why we would wave tap-in fees to a chain that is doing well and will probably do well here--they could pay the $16,000 imo the distillery project has much more risk so---anyone in town who improves their business property should now ask for a 10-year 100% tax abatement on the improvements? too many former tax-revenue producing properties are being purchased then gifted to FUCC(friends of councilmembers and cronies) that now pay no taxes of any type and are constantly in need of public support. All of these tax liabilities(don't forget the schools' share) is being shifted to remaining property owners, along with city fee increases. It all seriously adds up. Seems to me these actions only make it tighter on the non-benefitting citizens. Does Mr.Robinette even live in Middletown to share these burdens? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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The remarks made by Bohannon at the March 1st meeting
concerned the fact that other projects in the downtown area by Robinette have
not been completed due to lack of funding. Bohannon requested proof that
Robinette had the $300,000 needed to fund and open this business. I did watch the meeting and no reference was made by anyone
that Bohannon’s concerns were answered or that Robinette had shared any financial
records with council members before this meeting.
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Dean
MUSA Resident Joined: Apr 15 2014 Status: Offline Points: 162 |
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Spiderjohn, you are absolutely correct. It will be the commercial and residential property bill having fees and taxes raised to cover the give-aways.
I have been informed through a few city employees Steve Bohannon met with Mr. Robinette privately, and the outcome was pretty much, go pound sand Steve, you are screwing this done deal up. Apparently, Bohannon got the message. Downtown is obviously going to be a non tax zone, and any business with the give away precedent established, will be demanding everything given by the city, the water tap in fee waived, no taxes, buy the land at city expense. The actions don't help the property owner values rise, instead, the cause them to drop, associated with the liabilities property owners have on taxes and fees to pay for the give-aways by the city. Picard says council doesn't get involved in city business, other approving or not approving what the city decides. By meeting with Robinette, Bohannon did the opposite. These practices of behind the door meetings are not justified. |
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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V MOON
Why did Bohanon and TMoon not ask any questions? |
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Dean
MUSA Resident Joined: Apr 15 2014 Status: Offline Points: 162 |
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They knew the answer. Robinette did not have the cash. Awaiting gap cash (100%) from MMF program.
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middielover
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 31 2015 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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If they knew the answer, why not ask him in public meeting. Why are they being so secretive. What does Bohannon and Moon have to hide?
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Interesting. Adding to Vivian's comments...... Then why did Bohannon go along with the program if he didn't receive the information he requested to make his decision? If any of you were on council, and you asked for some info. to make an informed decision, would you have gone ahead and voted to approve this cluster? Would you keep voting to help Robinette out knowing his track record on developing these buildings once he gained ownership of them? Has Robinette been successful and shown any progress toward improving any downtown building since he made the real estate scene in the downtown area? What have the council people been given from Robinette to convince them he has the financial resources to achieve any building improvements? So now, they are going so far as to ignore council's requests? What is disturbing is members of council, once denied their request, just sit there in silence instead of demanding what they need. Apparently, we weren't too far off calling them puppets for the city. No council member with a spine other than Moon? If so, what a waste the others must be. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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FmrMide81
MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 26 2012 Status: Offline Points: 188 |
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Apparently Donald Trump's candidacy has had one effect-the scrutiny of his past real estate dealings have shown all real estate developers that you NEVER use your own money in a deal. Wait for some sucker (say, Middletown fr'instance) to offer to pay things for you.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Hard to say middie lover, since most things are now discussed and decided prior behind the scenes. Frustrating when one would like to hear open discussion and details. Makes watching Council meetings somewhat pointless, however that is how admin and current Council prefers. Sad and somewhat a slap in the face to caring citizens imo, though it explains why many don't care or want to be involved any more.
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