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    Posted: Feb 01 2013 at 9:54am
Posted: 6:00 a.m. Friday, Feb. 1, 2013

Local businessman to lead Downtown Middletown Inc. board

By Michael D. Pitman

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

Retired businessman Roger Daniel was appointed earlier this month as the chairman of the Downtown Middletown Inc. board of directors.

The board also welcomed five new board members and two ex officio members from the city of Middletown and Cincinnati State Middletown.

“The buck stops with the board. The more the volunteers are involved, the more successful you’ll be,” said DMI Executive Director Patrick Kay. “One thing you want to have in a strong chair is someone who does almost as much work as the executive director and who meets with the executive director on a regular basis — and the more that happens the more successful the group’s going to be.”

Downtown Middletown Inc., which was born from a public-private partnership through the city of Middletown, is a not-for-profit champion of the city’s downtown. The 11-member board is a group of volunteers who have a vested interest in downtown Middletown.

“The idea is to support growth downtown,” said Daniel, who lives in the South Main Historic District. “People who have invested in downtown knows what it takes to grow downtown.”

The board’s new members are TV Middletown Executive Director Ty Thomas, Middletown YMCA Executive Director Angela Howard, Forest Hills Country Club & Sportsplex President Roland Lutz, Art Avenue Custom Framing owner Phillip Harrison and attorney Joe Mulligan.

Mulligan, who is a first-term city council member, does not represent the city on the board. Ex officio board member Matt Eisenbraun, the city’s economic development program manager, represents Middletown. Cincinnati State Middletown Assistant Director Judy Bober represents the college.

Daniel, who joined the board about 18 months ago, became involved because he wanted to help downtown grow.

“We’re downtown all the time,” Daniel said about he and his wife. “We would like to have restaurants to go to, entertainment to go to. I just wanted to help support the downtown be more vibrant, have a better quality of life attractions for downtown.”

The group will focus on projects in 2013 that involve partnerships with Cincinnati State Middletown, which Daniel said “is the reason many people decided to pull the trigger investing in downtown,” and the Sorg Opera Revitalization Group.


Downtown Middletown Inc. board

Here is the board of directors for Downtown Middletown Inc. Those with an astrick are newly appointed:
Roger Daniel, board president
Jay Moorman, board vice president
Mary Ellen Clinard, secretary
Richard Isroff, treasurer
Phillip Harrison*
Angela Howard*
Roland Lutz*
Joe Mulligan*
Mike Robinette
Suzanne Sizer
Ty Thomas*
Source: DMI

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I've heard a saying by Bengals coach Marvin Lewis: "I see better than I hear".  So while not diminishing what is currently going on downtown, I'd rather SEE a lot more activity instead of HEARING all the endless optimism and promises. 

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Well, we should all hope and pray, as I do, that the former downtown succeeds.  If it doesn’t we can be sure that Barack Mulligan and Hillary Gilleland already have another multi-million dollar, taxpayer-funded TARP-type “stimulus plan” ready and waiting to go.  And we can be sure that it will be very similar to all of the other plans that have been tried:  overregulated and based on public funding directed at the same narrow market.

Just as with our current administration in Washington, they simply can’t seem to understand that only private investment guided by vision based on market forces will ultimately bring success.

The government, whether federal, state or local, cannot “make” the people “like” things.  They can only keep subsidizing things that their pals like, using other people’s money, until the taxpayers run out of money and their borrowing power is exhausted.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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"Retired businessman Roger Daniel was appointed earlier this month as the chairman of the Downtown Middletown Inc. board of directors"

"The buck stops with the board. The more the volunteers are involved, the more successful you’ll be,” said DMI Executive Director Patrick Kay. “One thing you want to have in a strong chair is someone who does almost as much work as the executive director and who meets with the executive director on a regular basis — and the more that happens the more successful the group’s going to be.”"

Wow, now we have a chairman (who will do "almost as much work as the executive director" according to Kay) AND an EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR who does "the most work".
Kinda top heavy and laden with bureaucrats isn't it?


This isn't downtown New York Patrick and it isn't like the job is so monumental that it would overwhelm anyone.

"The idea is to support growth downtown,” said Daniel, who lives in the South Main Historic District"

How convenient. The task of protecting the S. Main St. folks and their property contnues.

“People who have invested in downtown knows what it takes to grow downtown.”

Well, the people of Middletown have invested in downtown with their tax money as much as any private investor Mr. Daniel, yet, I noticed we are left out of your little inner circle group downtown. You want to use our money but not listen to our ideas. Where is the voice of the people on your board appointments? Using our money should have given us a slot in your little hierarchy. Another example of exclusion at it's finest.
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looks like about one board member per business in that area
if we have a director, why all of these other positions/members?
how much $$ do they have, and from where did it come?
 
since this is a PUBLIC/private organization(= funded by our tax $$). I see these as legitimate ?s
 
could we get a list of city loans, which ones have been forgiven and which might be delinquent for that area?
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I heard from a source at city hall that Kay is paid $60,000 a year. The city pays half or $30,000.
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Other than being quoted in the MJ, what does Kay actually do?
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I understand he works about 20 hrs a week for his $60,000. How do we get a job like that?
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Wouldn't the fact Joe Mulligan is on this committee prevent him from voting on any matters concerning the city as he is also on city counsel?
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That guy ought to be pounding the phones trying to find tenants for all those buildings.  20 hours isn't going to cut it.
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An interesting article from the Columbus dispatch.

Cities’ hearts beating strong in Ohio’s three C’s


Euclid Avenue was the spark in Cleveland, as a bus rapid-transit system ignited development along the important Downtown artery once lined with so many mansions it was known as Millionaires’ Row.

The rebirth of downtown Cincinnati started with Fountain Square and in Over-the-Rhine, a historic neighborhood filled with stately but crumbling homes.

In Columbus, the Arena District rose on the blighted site of a long-closed prison. This started a wave of development that has spread south, to the river and the land formerly occupied by the failed City Center mall.

Now, after many years and a combined investment of about $10 billion, Ohio’s three largest cities are enjoying downtown booms that have added residents, jobs, economic impact and vibrancy.

“It’s an overnight sensation 30 years in the making,” said Edward Hill, dean of Cleveland State University’s Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs.

“We’ve noticed it and are thrilled,” said Pat Barker, interim director of TourismOhio. “And, what’s even more amazing is so much of it, the construction projects and plans, was done during the recession.”

Even in the midst of the recession, Ohio’s three C’s indeed moved forward with major projects, many of them initiated with public money.

“The reason Columbus has fared so well is our public and private leaders work so well together,” said Guy Worley, chief executive of Columbus Downtown Development Corp. and Capitol South, which operates Columbus Commons park.

Development expanded outward from these cities’ projects, which included parks, arenas and stadiums, museums and universities, hotels and, in recent years, casinos.

The simultaneous rebirth of Ohio’s three biggest cities could help change the image of a state that too often has been linked to job losses and fading industries, experts said. Such a reversal also could boost economic development and reverse the so-called brain drain.

“Instead of losing these young professionals to Chicago and the West Coast and East Coast, they’l l stay here if we have something vibrant going on,” said Mark Patton, managing director of JobsOhio. “It’s part of our long-term planning.”

This planning, he said, includes a commitment to creating jobs in financial services, information technology, health care and marketing.

“They’re the knowledge workers,” Patton said. “And they are college-educated, more-upscale and are looking for a downtown vibrancy.”

Generational shift

Ohio’s downtown projects have caught the attention of both the millennial generation and empty nesters yearning to live in a downtown environment filled with nearby amenities.

“You can no longer find an apartment or condo in downtown Cleveland,” Patton said. “Vacancies are zippo.”

It is the same in Columbus and Cincinnati, as the vacancy rates downtown have dropped in recent years and the list of new projects continues to grow. All these feet on the street in the three downtowns led to the opening of scores of restaurants and shops and the construction of more apartments and condominiums that will fuel the opening of more restaurants and shops. It’s a virtuous cycle of urban renewal.

All these amenities also have helped the three cities increase the number of regional and national conventions and meetings they attract.

“These meeting planners know that just because they hold a meeting someplace doesn’t mean people will come,” Barker said. “They’re looking for cities that have vibrant things to do at night, places people can walk to, and all three cities have this now, and it’s a huge benefit.”

This is a big change from a decade ago.

In Cincinnati, the city’s nine Fortune 500 companies banded together to create a real-estate development fund that became Cincinnati Center City Development Corp., or 3CDC. The first projects were the restoration of Fountain Square, in the central business district, and Washington Park in Over-the-Rhine.

The organization also has bought 200 vacant buildings and 150 vacant lots in Over-the-Rhine, said Anastasia Mileham, spokeswoman for 3CDC.

Finding people to live in downtown residential developments has been a breeze in Ohio. And nationally, many other cities are in the midst of downtown revivals.

“The Generation Y’ers (also called the millennial generation) are the biggest demographic bubble we’ve ever seen, 60 million strong,” said Conor McNally, chief development officer of Carter, the Atlanta-based developer of the Banks project in Cincinnati and HighPoint at Columbus Commons.

“They have lit a fire for urban, rental housing,” he said. “It’s creating something phenomenal and has changed the tone of downtowns.”

HighPoint is a $50 million project that includes 302 apartments and 23,000 square feet of retail space that is part of Columbus Commons park.

The Banks is a $600 million, multiphase project that will take 10 to 15 years to complete, McNally said. As the name suggests, the 18-acre development is along the Ohio River, nestled between Great American Ball Park and Paul Brown Stadium.

The $400 million Horseshoe Casino Cincinnati is scheduled to open in the spring, and the city also is building a $110 million-plus streetcar system that will run from the riverfront through the central business district and into Over-the-Rhine.

“What we’re seeing along the river is so exciting,” McNally said of the parks, foot traffic, restaurants and events at the stadiums. “The riverfront in Cincinnati was never treated in the way it deserved over the years. It was like the city had turned its back on it.”About $2.6 billion has been invested in the urban core of Cincinnati, said Chris Kemper, spokesman for Cincinnati USA Partnership, a regional-development initiative.

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In Cleveland, the Downtown Cleveland Alliance has helped spur $5 billion in investment, including about $3 billion in the central business district, said Michael Deemer, its vice president of business development.

The Euclid Avenue corridor has been the epicenter of all this development. “What we did here was create an innovative rapid-transit system,” Deemer said. “And since it opened (in 2008), it has created several billion in development along Euclid Avenue, by the Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland State University, the hospitals and the Horseshoe.”

The $350 million Horseshoe Cleveland casino opened last year.

“In the first two months, it attracted over a million visitors,” Deemer said. “It brought people to downtown Cleveland who hadn’t been here in a while to check it out, and they’re finding a fun, vibrant environment.”

The $465 million Cleveland Medical Mart & Convention Center opens this year. It is part museum and exhibit space and part training center, and it’s expected to bring thousands of health-care professionals to the city.

“It’s the first of its kind, a medical-innovation showplace,” said David Gilbert, chief executive of Positively Cleveland, the convention and visitors bureau.

The Arena District was the beginning of the boom in Columbus. Nationwide Arena opened in 2000, and the district now also has more than 1.2 million square feet of office space, numerous restaurants, two completed residential projects, with a third under construction, and a ballpark.

Capitol Square Ltd., the real-estate arm of The Dispatch Printing Company, owns 20 percent of the Arena District.

After the Arena District created the momentum, Worley said, the next key projects were renovating the empty Lazarus building and razing the vacant City Center mall in the Capitol South area of Downtown, which in turn has led to residential projects and restaurants.

“We had a 1.2 million-square-foot empty mall and 700,000-(square)-foot empty department store,” he said.

Downtown has had about $2.55 billion invested, according to the Capital Crossroads Special Improvement District. The goal with Columbus Commons and other major projects is to create the hub leading to spokes of development that reach farther and farther and connect with spokes from other major developments.

“You have to create not just a building,” said Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman, “but an environment.”

WITH THE GEN Yer's MOVING TO DOWNTOWN DOES THIS MEAN AN END TO SUBURBIA LIKE MIDDLETOWN, SPRINGBORO, FRANKLIN, AND MASON? OR SHOULD MIDDLETOWN INSTEAD FOCUS ON REMODELING ITS BUILDINGS FOR CONDOS AND APARTMENTS IN DOWNTOWN INSTEAD? 

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"WITH THE GEN Yer's MOVING TO DOWNTOWN DOES THIS MEAN AN END TO SUBURBIA LIKE MIDDLETOWN, SPRINGBORO, FRANKLIN, AND MASON? OR SHOULD MIDDLETOWN INSTEAD FOCUS ON REMODELING ITS BUILDINGS FOR CONDOS AND APARTMENTS IN DOWNTOWN INSTEAD?"

If the focus in downtown Middletown were to turn to the development of condos and apartments, what would be the drawing points to lure people to live down there? Some arts places, one college building attracting 350 students off and on throughout the week for classes, a few restaurants and alot of empty lots and buildings, doesn't offer enough attraction nor interest as yet for potential residents. It's still too deserted to offer any interest. JMO

Also in the story....

"Development expanded outward from these cities’ projects, which included parks, arenas and stadiums, museums and universities, hotels and, in recent years, casinos"

Casinos. (a totally crazy idea to some) Not going to get sports teams to inhabit any arenas or stadiums. Won't be any hotels being built with the light weight activity downtown as yet. IMO, don't think CS has the potential as yet to make a difference on stimulating activity. May never have. Going to have to be alot more interest in the CS program than what has been demonstrated so far.


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Now if Miami University, Wright State, University of Dayton, University of Cincinnati were to open up a branch campus in "Downtown" Middletown, then you would see changes. Because those students would bring more money to the area than a community college would. Granted it would be in the way of coffee shops, restaurants and small shops. I also believe CS will continue to struggle, unless that make it an easier way to get to downtown. Trying to follow Ohio 122 into Downtown can be tricky if you are not from here.  Also I feel Downtown Middletown needs to get rid of the one way streets. Downtown Dayton has and it has made it easier to navigate the city. 
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Speaking of downtown streets....These were put out Friday evening for auto & crowd control at Broad & Central.
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Speaking of downtown streets....These were put out Friday evening for auto & crowd control at Broad & Central.


Auto and crowd control? And just how many cars and people were at the intersection of Broad and Central Friday evening?

Would have been interesting to have seen that many people downtown at one time. Kinda like Times Square I bet.
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Vet, I know you've mentioned casinos before.  You do realize this is all controlled by state law?  At this point the only permissible casinos are the four that were approved by state-wide vote a couple Novembers ago (Toledo, Cincy, Col, Cleve).  So no chance of a Middletown casino.
 
The fact is Middletown unfortunately seems to not meet any criteria as far as hosting a large scale attraction.  No museum, no arena, no waterpark, no amusement park.  Sadly, the fact of simply being in between Cincy and Dayton (a dying city) is not really worth much.
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Originally posted by Neil Barille Neil Barille wrote:

Vet, I know you've mentioned casinos before.  You do realize this is all controlled by state law?  At this point the only permissible casinos are the four that were approved by state-wide vote a couple Novembers ago (Toledo, Cincy, Col, Cleve).  So no chance of a Middletown casino.
 

The fact is Middletown unfortunately seems to not meet any criteria as far as hosting a large scale attraction.  No museum, no arena, no waterpark, no amusement park.  Sadly, the fact of simply being in between Cincy and Dayton (a dying city) is not really worth much.


I have no doubt you are correct in your information Neil. Which led me to consider how Monroe got a racino as it is not a major city as you have mentioned and a horse track nearby in Lebanon. Wonder how they managed to accomplish that and Middletown, just 3 or 4 miles up the road, with the same I-75 exposure that Monroe has, has a dilapidated, undeveloped entrance with no activity in the planning? I think the other towns that are successful just have smarter people at the helm, who have better game plans and who know how to execute a winning proposition.
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Vet,

Middletown no longer has the land to build a HS as the spot they had chosen is to be a middle school which requires less land. The other cities you mentioned have the available land whereas Middletown does not. Many of you on here moan and groan every time the city goes to tear down a cock roach infested house, let alone the bigger buildings filled with asbestos and would cost far more to renovate than to just demo. Unless Misdletown annexes more land you will most likely never see a large facility of any kind being built here.

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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

Vet,

Middletown no longer has the land to build a HS as the spot they had chosen is to be a middle school which requires less land. The other cities you mentioned have the available land whereas Middletown does not. Many of you on here moan and groan every time the city goes to tear down a cock roach infested house, let alone the bigger buildings filled with asbestos and would cost far more to renovate than to just demo. Unless Misdletown annexes more land you will most likely never see a large facility of any kind being built here.

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Pac- Won't try to explain why others "moan and groan" about things being torn down in this town, but for me, it all goes back to the memories I have of the buildings when they were of some use and value. I understand why they are demolished, but understand, at the same time they are demolished, they are taking away physical representations of the memories. It would be like seeing your childhood home being demolished and an empty lot taking it's place. Gotta work on the minds of most people I would think seeing what matters hauled to the dump.

As to the land issue.....

Rumors were thrown around some years ago that when the Midd. schools purchased the land that now has Miller Ridge school on it, it was slated to be the site of a new high school. Never panned out as the new high school site.

Got alot of land to the east side of I-75 that once held some promise don't we? If Fenwick went out to Hunter, why couldn't Midd. build a new high school out by Atrium somewhere? It's already on the northeast side up on Breil, right? How about all this "green space" that the city seems to be obsessed in creating? Nothing large enough for a school on any of these sites? Just asking.
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Exactly Vet, we should use the land on the east end of town for the school. Actually they should build it in view of I-75 as a way to promote the new Middletown Wink . As for lack of land I am in favor of Annexing more land. A former Springoboro City Council member Don Ross said "A City either grows or it dies."  Middletown could annex land west of the Great Miami River, or Annex Land further east to Red Lion, and north to Franklin and Springboro if they wanted too.  
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Exactly Vet, we should use the land on the east end of town for the school. Actually they should build it in view of I-75 as a way to promote the new Middletown Wink . As for lack of land I am in favor of Annexing more land. A former Springoboro City Council member Don Ross said "A City either grows or it dies."  Middletown could annex land west of the Great Miami River, or Annex Land further east to Red Lion, and north to Franklin and Springboro if they wanted too.  


Don't know if the West Middletown folks would want Middletown's intrusion because of the way Middletown always handles things. If it can go wrong, you can bet the Midd. city officials had their hand in it. Middletown, due to it's past actions, hasn't made too many friends with the surrounding communities.

As for annexing land up toward Franklin and out to Red Lion? Remember the war that developed when Middletown annexed the Towne Mall area from Warren County. Hard feelings developed out of that fiasco. Doubt if Warren County has forgotten and will probably make life miserable if Middletown even mentions intruding on their turf.
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I don't think the "it grows or dies" comment necessarily has to mean land expansion.  It really means business growth or some kind of renewal or development.  This is why I'm in favor of tearing down whenever it makes sense -- we must adapt or die.  Stop holding on to the past.
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As for annexing more land, they can't take care of what they have now.. they did alot of land grabbing over the years, they kinda put the nail in their coffin on getting anymore...IMO heck just bring in more bull dozers and send-em in all directions downtown and all around they can open land.. Vet IMO they have done bull dozed memories of the past middletown, to where it really dosen't matter anymore...when to let everything go to he ll, its really the only thing you can do...so ya gotta look on the Brighter sideLOL
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The problem with a old city like Middletown, everything becomes historic.  I think we should keep those buildings that are historically and architecturally important to the city. However if they are so damaged that it is too expensive to bring up to code they might have to tear them down. 

The main issue is that Middletown has acquired so many areas over the years that the current zoning does not make sense.

Personally I think the city should look into re-zoning the entire city so it makes sense. Why have a residential neighborhood  next to AK Steal? No one in there right mind would want live to that close to a place like that. The current values for houses next to AK Steel is below 100K, thus driving down the property values for everyone else . 

Go to www.zillow.com or www.trulia.com to see what I am talking about.

Why not re-zone that area in to light industrial or commercial instead. And re-zone some of the old Commercial, and industrial areas back to to Residential development? That way you can re-invent Middletown with new development within the city limits.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vivian Moon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 05 2013 at 10:20am
Neil Barille - I don't think the "it grows or dies" comment necessarily has to mean land expansion.  It really means business growth or some kind of renewal or development.  This is why I'm in favor of tearing down whenever it makes sense -- we must adapt or die.  Stop holding on to the past.

Neil
    I agree with your analogy for the future growth of the City of
Middletown. Growth does not mean land expansion…it means smarter use of the land that you currently own. If we can’t take care of the streets and fire houses we have…why build new ones? Land expansion usually means spreading your revenues thinner and in turn you see no growth to the bottom line.
    Vail Jr. High School – If Mr. Adkins wants so many of the houses in the 2nd Ward torn down why don’t we just demo 10 blocks of these old houses and build a new school. Or maybe we could consider the area around the old
Sherman School which is in a more central location and in desperate need of major renewal project.

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