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Vivian Moon 
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 Topic: SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETINGPosted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:05am |
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Betsy Parr Clerk of City Council One Dear Mrs. Parr: This is to request that you call a special meeting of the Middletown City Council on Council will convene and receive and file the Special Meeting Documents. They will then consider a motion to direct the City Manager to prepare materials to participate in the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program and will consider legislation authorizing the same as well as legislation authorizing signing the Memorandum of Understanding with the Butler County Land Reutilization Corporation for the cooperative acquisition and banking of nonproductive real property in Sincerely, file
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 6:07am |
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Ok, so what is a "special council meeting". What is the criteria for such a meeting and will it be open to the public with public input?
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acclaro
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 7:44am |
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This isn't a council and hasn't been one for years. It is cartel. You are witnessing DALLAS playng out in front of you twice a month (or more, when special double secret probation meetings are called).
I find it quite disturbing and alarming---someone needs to pull the panic button. The cartel is getting cavalier and out of hand with their tactics. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 9:36am |
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Its to get that million dollars that they need to tear down the so called 3,000 houses.Since Picard wasnt at the meeting they want to vote on it again.Hope that A.J. and Mrs.Scott Jones dont show up.
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 10:17am |
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Got a little "do over meeting" since Mulligan and company didn't get what they wanted ehh?
 Apparently, if it goes their way, only one vote is required. If not, keep whipping the horse til it complies with their wishes. A new low for this council among many new lows. No morals, no scruples, no class. Time for public lynchings down at Governors Square folks? We can re-create "Hang 'Em High" (after the Weds Bash of course) Mike, you can give the nod out the window overlooking the Square to pull the lever for the trap doors. 
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 10:32am |
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Hopefully since A.J. was on the fence when he voted that he VOTES NO this tme.I think its a damn shame that our spineless ones are allowed to do this.All because Curley(Joe M) and Moe(Lawrence) didnt get what they wanted.
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greygoose
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 12:49pm |
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Even though I am in favor of the legislation, I've got to admit that this process doesn't "feel" appropriate. Everyone knew the rules when they took the vote. If they weren't prepared for the supermajority outcome that was needed, they shouldn't have put it to a vote when they did. "Do over" votes just destroy citizen confidence in their leaders.
My "guess" is that this meeting will not produce the change that the Mayor wants because Ms. Jones & Mr. Smith are opposed to the meeting. However, I do think that they will work out something with the county to allow them to participate. Time will tell. GG |
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"If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got"
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TudorBrown
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 1:32pm |
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Can someone please summarize this for me? What did I miss?
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409
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 1:55pm |
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Here is the link to tonight's AGENDA.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 2:48pm |
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June 27, 2012 |
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:00pm |
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Was told that A.J.and Mrs.Scott Jones wasnt going to be there tonight so what happens now?
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:03pm |
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Yep 1. The city is trying to procure grant money to knock down 300 or more houses in town in quick fashion. 2. Council took a vote that required a "super majority" without Danny Picard present and, with Laubach's no vote, failed to achieve the vote requirements for approval. 3. Mulligan and company didn't like the outcome and it was announced in the Journal that there were members of council, who, after voting and losing, want another vote that will eliminate the outcome of the first declining vote. 4. Tonight's "special council meeting" (is this legal?) is for the purpose of reversing the original rejected vote in "super majority" fashion. Danny Picard will, no doubt, participate for the purpose of supporting Mulligan's side. 5. It is hoped AJ Amith and Scott-Jones (who were against this special meeting) will not participate (or vote no with Laubach), denying once again, Mulligan's desires in s. maj. fashion. My best shot at what happened. |
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409
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:15pm |
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As per usual, who knows what twists will occur.
Tonight's meeting is a first reading, so no vote will occur this evening.
This is a set up for next weeks meeting.
TV Middletown will telecast this evenings meeting.
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:19pm |
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How is it a first reading when it was voted on last week?Also if Im not mistaken they have to have it approved by the end of June.
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:32pm |
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Good point. Since Landen and company are obsessed with declaring EVERYTHING an emergency and at times, hurrying up the process by skipping readings, I am surprised that this isn't a "super emergency" declaration to go with their "special meeting".
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409
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:36pm |
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I noticed the Ordinance & Resolution numbers have each been bumped up one number from last weeks numbers so they are considering these new items? Wow!
I believe a previous poster said the city only needs to notify Nancy Nix of intent by the end of the month.
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greygoose
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 4:52pm |
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Remember….. The June 21st article in the Middletown Journal also had a paragraph that stated:
“But Butler County Treasurer Nancy Nix said Middletown may not need that meeting if city officials can say a resolution is forthcoming. “I think we’re still good,” said Nix, who met last week with a representative from the Attorney General’s Office. “The state wants to get this money out and is not putting up roadblocks. They’ve said, ‘We’ll work with you.’ ” This approach would not take “special meeting” that Smith & Jones are opposed to. GG |
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TudorBrown
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 5:03pm |
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Thank you Vet, I do appreciate it! |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 5:21pm |
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To Ms. Moon's point, this seems rather serious. Logically, how on earth could federal grants to used as funding for a state grant that matched what the federal grant provided? Why would not a city have to put some skin in the game to take care of the problem, or let the fed and state take care of it, with 0% funding? This is simply illogical.
As Middletown is riding the back of Hamilton, and Butler Cty, is Hamilton not putting money in either, relying on HUD funds? And if Hamilton does put in funds, how much, if any, would Middletown get when all the funding comes from Hamilton? Something seems a bit off kilter here. I further read you can't carry greater than 50% of HUD funds forward into the next fiscal year. Is that what Community Revitalization has been doing, stock-piling cash to use for the down payment for free money, and do they know they can't use these funds as their part of the 'down payment" bargain? COURTESY OF HUD- the Taxpayer Shakedown leverage model.  |
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 10:21pm |
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From MJ:
Middletown to support land bankBy Rick McCrabb, Staff Writer 10:00 PM Tuesday, June 26, 2012 In the matter of 15 minutes, the city took “a huge step” toward correcting years of neglect, said Les Landen, the city’s law director. “When you drive into the city, and you see blighted and vacant homes, does it make you want to move your family here, your business here?” Landen asked outside the City Building. “I don’t think so.” On Tuesday night, during a special Middletown City Council meeting, council voted 4-0 to support the county land bank’s application of a Moving Ohio Forward Grant from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office. The County Land Reutilization Corp., which is the still-forming county land bank, is applying for the $2.7 million state grant, and Middletown and Hamilton are potential beneficiaries of the grant, equally splitting the grant and the collective $2.2 million required match. Last week, council sought to pass a resolution as emergency legislation showing interest in the grant. A six-vote super majority was needed since it was emergency legislation, but council voted 5-1, with Councilman Josh Laubach dissenting. Vice Mayor Dan Picard was out of town. On Tuesday, with three council members — Anita Scott Jones, A.J. Smith and Laubach — unable to attend the meeting, there was little discussion and the vote took less than 15 minutes. If the city is able to match the $1.1 million in grants, Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins said 300 vacant and abandoned homes — about 10 percent of its such properties — would be demolished by Dec. 31, 2013. He said the city is in the process of identifying possible dilapidated homes to be leveled. Mayor Larry Mulligan said the city will seek the “worse of the worst,” and hopes following the demolition of the homes, property values in those neighborhoods will increase. During the meeting, Dan Picard, who missed last week’s meeting, questioned how the city was going to match the grant. Landen told him the city would move the necessary money out of the city’s general fund, adjusting the budget. He called it “a pretty simple process,” then said the move was “perfectly above board.” The Moving Ohio Forward Grant is money that was part of a federal settlement with multiple mortgage providers. The Ohio Attorney General’s Office was given the state’s portion of the multibillion-dollar settlement and set aside $75 million for the grant program designed to demolish dilapidated and abandoned homes. |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 10:54pm |
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What is the most used word in the dictionary spoken repeatedly by city leadership and council members?
You have 10 seconds....tick....tick....tick. Time is up. HOPE. That says it all about Middletown. Hope it works, hope it gets done, hope it helps, hope it makes a difference. Hope----is not a vision, it is not execution. Hope is uncertainly praying for luck. 100% of this money laundered into the GF will be spent on Main Street. The cartel has spoken. God save the Queen.. |
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 27 2012 at 6:16am |
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"On Tuesday night, during a special Middletown City Council meeting, council voted 4-0 to support the county land bank’s application of a Moving Ohio Forward Grant from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office".
AND "Last week, council sought to pass a resolution as emergency legislation showing interest in the grant. A six-vote super majority was needed since it was emergency legislation, but council voted 5-1, with Councilman Josh Laubach dissenting. Vice Mayor Dan Picard was out of town" Well hell, if it was that easy to get what Mulligan and company wanted, why go through the exercise of emergency legislation and deal with a super majority vote of 6? Just wait, declare it a non-emergency, wait for your buddy, giving you the 4 votes needed and move on. Recurring theme with these clowns. Just change the theme, find the hole in the fence and slip on through. The Black Hole of Laundering came through for them again. That money in the General Fund, the city's "landfill" for wayward, whitewashed funds, has, once again, become the savior for their desires. Is there any limit to their backdoor thinking? Any limits to their underhanded ways? I like Leslie's comment.... “When you drive into the city, and you see blighted and vacant homes, does it make you want to move your family here, your business here?” Landen asked outside the City Building. “I don’t think so.” LIKEWISE, LES BABES..... WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO THE CITY, AND YOU SEE EMPTY, GREENSPACES ALL OVER THE CITY, LOOKING LIKE SOME DESERTED GHOST TOWN, DOES IT MAKE YOU WANT TO MOVE YOUR FAMILY HERE....... WORKS BOTH WAYS. ONE THING TO KNOCK DOWN EVERYTHING IN SIGHT......ANOTHER TO REPLACE THE EMPTY LOT LEFT BEHIND AND THIS CITY IS NOT DOING THAT. THE CITY IS ONLY SOLVING HALF THE PROBLEM AND CALLING IT QUITS. YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE PLANS TO KNOCK 'EM DOWN. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO REPLACE? AND MULLIGAN, HAVING BLIGHTED HOUSES KNOCKED DOWN IS ALRIGHT BUT HAVING EMPTY LOTS IN THEIR PLACE SURELY ISN'T GOING TO INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES AS YOU MAY HOPE. JUST AS UNSIGHTLY IN A DIFFERENT ASPECT. |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jun 27 2012 at 7:25am |
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Anyone with an ability to think knows this offers absolutely no solution to Middletown's chronic and irreversible woes. Assuming you took out 10% of stock, its will continue to increase as time goes by. As stated earlier, when you have lost so much demand in the market for property in Middletown, it will take depleting (removing) 75% of stock to elevate home prices.Simply maintaining pace with CPI (inflation) is all that you could expect in the absolute nicest areas in Middletown. Factoring in future present value, most don't know their house would have to sell for double to break even with what they paid 15-20 years ago. Its selling at less than what was paid two decades today. I know of countless examples.
So, this knock-down will not accomplish anything, but help out Martin and others, whom the city throws some cash to for their support. It will be thrown downtown to raise the Main Street values (although demand will not rise- another fallacy in their thinking, but what else is new). This is an outcome when your city has no economic development strategy or know-how, and relies on state and fed funds as a revenue generator. Someone should put a new video up on youtube showing Ms. G, LL, DA, and council doing cartwheels. They won the lottery as all else has failed to have any impact on funds, so its plan B---the fed trough of handouts to state. So much for Butler Cty and the phony baloney of the Tea Party influence. Middletown has high taxes, terrible services, an ill school district, bad reputation, failing streets and sewers, and about 10 other very serious problems. For that Mr. Landen, your match on state funds using federal HUD dollars, required about $250 Mm in cash. But who knows, maybe its buried out in a coffee can by the airport runway, and you can leverage it for more bail out money to make Middletwn rise like a Phoexnix, out of its burning ambers. The land bank provides no traction, but when you are on soma as in Brave New World, there simply are no problems. Click both heels, .and wait a few seconds. Shut your eyes. There it is, I can see it. We all are back home in Kansas. It wasn't real, just a horrible nightmare. The Wizard of Oz brought us home. |
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Bill
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Posted: Jun 27 2012 at 8:56am |
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I don't bother watching most of the council meetings, but is anyone mentioning the savior that is the East End. What the heck is going on out there? Is there any developer involved anymore? For all the chatter about 5 years ago about how our success will be driven by the East End it sure is quiet.
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Posted: Jun 27 2012 at 9:49am |
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Bill, the efforts are there, Robinette, others; the market interest is not. All hyped when it began, then reality sets in.
Same will be with the effects of the Land Bank. Hype in beginning, "property values will rise." Reality sets in- no net positive sum gain. Same hype, same outcome. Failure. If they can't take money washed in the General Fund from HUD, what will they do...take $1.2 Mm from a successful public safety levy to destroy property? This council is like a group of very poor golfers. They take mulligans on every hole, and hold back the players behind them (the citizens progress), while they dabble on the tee each hole trying to keep the ball out of the rough. They miss hit, take a mulligan, and do it on every hole. These actions are not something that builds a legacy Mr. Mulligan and the foursome you play (actually the five-some, but Ann Mort just is the caddy). It used to be council would say the city manager and staff take the lead on affairs, and they choose to approve/ disapprove, referring to council. It appears when Main Street is involved, that doesn't hold consistent. Well, this is the result when you have attorneys whom practice before city employees acting as judge and magistrate, and two sons had a father work in the city water department. They protect the city employees, not your welfare common citizen. June 21, 2012 Betsy Parr Clerk of City Council One Donham Plaza Middletown, OH 45042 Dear Mrs. Parr: This is to request that you call a special meeting of the Middletown City Council on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers. Council will convene and receive and file the Special Meeting Documents. They will then consider a motion to direct the City Manager to prepare materials to participate in the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program and will consider legislation authorizing the same as well as legislation authorizing signing the Memorandum of Understanding with the Butler County Land Reutilization Corporation for the cooperative acquisition and banking of nonproductive real property in Middletown. Sincerely, Lawrence P. Mulligan, Jr. |
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