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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jun 18 2014 at 5:46pm |
Posted: 1 in 8 fails to pass third-grade reading test
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Middletown City School District saw 82.1 percent of its third-graders pass the reading portion of the OAA.
“We’re right in there then,” said Debbie Houser, curriculum coordinator for the district. “If the state average is 87.4 that means that you had quite a few above that and quite a few below that, so we’re within five percent.” QUITE A FEW ABOVE THAT AND QUITE A FEW BELOW THAT.....WHAT? Anyway you twist it, the numbers say you were below average as to statewide numbers passing as your passing percentage (82.1%) is below the state's AVERAGE passing percentage (87.4%). 82% of the kids passed the reading which is 5.3% points BELOW the state AVERAGE. IE- if this were a grading scale, Middletown 3rd graders would grade out a C- to a D+ if a C is average on passage in reading. "Hamilton City School District saw 87.4 percent of its third-graders pass the test, matching the state average, according to ODE" Hamilton matched the average. Middletown did not in a comparison of similar demographic cities. Bottom line: This district was below average in a testing category for a designated grade level. This is what we have been seeing for a long time now. "Three categories of students are exempt from repeating third grade regardless of their reading test scores —“limited English proficient” students who have had less than three years in an English as a Second Language program; special education students on certain Individualized Education Programs; and students who were retained in a previous grade" WHY? How is the exemption from repeating a grade going to help them succeed? So the passing criteria is in place but is waved in these instances? We have a system in place where goals to pass to the next level must be reached......except in certain instances where we lower the bar so that anyone can pass, even without trying. How will this help these kids when they go out for their first job experience? |
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Marcia Andrew
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 09 2010 Status: Offline Points: 365 |
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Vet,
Well, you are certainly correct that Middletown's 82.1% is below the state average of 87.4%. We certainly would not want to look on any positive side of the story, including the fact that the vast majority -- 82% -- of Middletown third graders passed the third grade reading guarantee, despite the majority of them having started kindergarden behind, and testing as not ready for kindergarden. Geez, if we looked at it that way, we might have to admit that Middletown schools are doing something right, and that would not jibe with your story line that the Middletown schools are a complete failure, right? We also would certainly not want to look at the fact that just last year, only 73.6% of Middletown third graders passed the state reading test. Because if we point out how the schools are consistently improving, we will just be dismissed as rose-colored-eyeglass-wearing Pollyannas. Now, to be fair, I will tell you that the third grade guarantee cutoff on the reading test is a score of 392, whereas the cutoff for a score of "proficient" (passing) on the same test, for purposes of the state report card, remains a 400. So, the apples-to-apples comparison is that last school year, 73.6% of third graders earned a proficient score (400 points or higher) and this year, I am told approximately 78% did. Still, an improvement. Another 4% scored between 392 and 400. The state wasn't keeping track of the third grade reading guarantee last year, so I do not know last year, how the percentage would change if you added in scores between 392 and 400. Under the scoring system in place for the last 10 years or so, this year's 78% passing would have earned Middletown an "indicator" on the state report card -- you know, Vet, the ones you like to say we only have 6 of, even though last year it was 8? However, starting with the school year that just ended, the state has changed the rules, and a district will only earn an indicator if 80% or more of students in a particular subject and grade pass the test. Seems a little arbitrary. You ask, why would there be exemptions from the third grade reading guaranty for certain categories of students; how will that help those students? Well (and I am assuming here, perhaps incorrectly, that you actually want an answer, that the question was not rhetorical), to start with, kids who are held back a grade are at an increased risk of dropping out of school, and for kids who are held back more than one grade, the odds are almost certain they will drop out before graduating. We want to keep them in school, so they have a chance of catching up. As to ESL students, experts recognize it takes some time to become comfortable with reading and writing English if it is not the child's first language, but their challenge with the language skills does not mean they are not capable of learning math, science and social studies at grade level. If you keep them back in third grade because they are still learning English as a second language, you are putting them further behind in the other subjects. Plus, increasing the risk they will drop out of school (see above). And many special education students will never read at grade level, and some may not ever be able to pass the third grade reading test, but do you really want 15 year olds in third grade? That is not good either for the special ed student or for the 8 year olds in third grade. For any student who is moved on to 4th grade under these exceptions, interventions (that is education-speak for extra help) must be put in place to work with them to try to get their reading levels up to grade level. They are not just moved along without support.
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acclaro
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There is only one measure which matters: EXCELLENT rating for the district.
Getting better, almost there, trying harder, simply means nothing. Mediocrity may be accepted in Middletown as norm, but never by an intellectually and driven, individual. Ping me when it hits EXCELLENT. Otherwise....Next.
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Ms. Andrew:
"Well, you are certainly correct that Middletown's 82.1% is below the state average of 87.4%. We certainly would not want to look on any positive side of the story, including the fact that the vast majority -- 82% -- of Middletown third graders passed the third grade reading guarantee, despite the majority of them having started kindergarden behind, and testing as not ready for kindergarden. Geez, if we looked at it that way, we might have to admit that Middletown schools are doing something right, and that would not jibe with your story line that the Middletown schools are a complete failure, right?" The Middletown schools are not a complete failure Ms. Andrew. They are, however, stuck in neutral and not moving upward enough, quickly enough, to make one feel good about things. YOU, were not here when the schools were excellent, respected, performing and I attended them. YOU have been here, however, to have seen nothing but complacency with regard to achieving anything close to what they were back then. Ms. Andrew: "Under the scoring system in place for the last 10 years or so, this year's 78% passing would have earned Middletown an "indicator" on the state report card -- you know, Vet, the ones you like to say we only have 6 of, even though last year it was 8? However, starting with the school year that just ended, the state has changed the rules, and a district will only earn an indicator if 80% or more of students in a particular subject and grade pass the test. Seems a little arbitrary" You were at 6 for years. You improved to as high as 10 indicators met and fell backwards to 6 at some point in time. Now you say it was 8 last year. So be it. Fact is, you folks have been bouncing around for years in a window of 6 to 10 met. The indicator system has been around for how many years now? And your schools have not come close to meeting half of them.....ever. It if took you a decade or so to come close to, but not reach the half way point, how many decades, at your current pace, will it take to reach the top? Give us an estimate as to year. I notice that every time you respond to criticism, you love to spin the internal comparison of Middletown school improvements. The reason you never compare Middletown's performance with the surrounding schools is because they are light years beyond what you are producing and while the numbers would be more accurate, wouldn't impress anyone as you like to spin it. Your internal number comparison is bogus because you are using a poor performance number from last year to compare to a slightly improved poor performance number from the current. Doesn't matter. BOTH are still poor compared to the rest of the community schools around us. ANALOGY TIME: THE SCHOOL POSITION IS.... I HAVE A BARREL FULL OF BAD APPLES FROM LAST YEAR AND I WANT YOU TO COMPARE THIS YEAR'S BARREL OF BAD APPLES THAT SEEMS TO HAVE FEWER DEFECTS IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH. Why not attempt to change the process to SIGNIFICANTLY ELIMINATE the bad apple possibilities so that you won't have to look so hard to convince people that you have improved enough for them to notice? You are suggesting that we should all get really excited about a small gain over such a long time. It isn't impressive, not when it has taken decades to get to the middle of the lower echelon of the schools in Ohio. Ms. Andrew: "If you keep them back in third grade because they are still learning English as a second language, you are putting them further behind in the other subjects." IF YOU DON'T KEEP THEM BACK TO LEARN ENGLISH, IT WON'T MATTER HOW WELL THEY DO IN THE OTHER SUBJECTS. IF THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE PROPERLY IN THIS COUNTRY, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR JOB CAREERS AS THEY ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE ON A DAILY BASIS? THIS IS AN ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY. WE SHOULD NOT CHANGE THAT FACT TO ACCOMODATE THOSE THAT SPEAK OTHER LANGUAGES. WE SHOULD NOT COMPROMISE OUR METHODS TO ACCOMODATE THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE. IF THEY CHOOSE TO COME HERE TO LIVE, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LEARNING THE LANGUAGE. ADOPTING THEIR LANGUAGE AS AN ALTERNATIVE IS NOT AN OPTION MS. ANDREW. JMO Ms. Andrew: "Plus, increasing the risk they will drop out of school (see above)." THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM. THEY CAN ALWAYS RETURN TO THEIR NATIVE COUNTRY AND ATTEND THE SCHOOLS THERE. TOO KIND....TOO GENTLE MS. ANDREW. TOO MANY PROBLEMS TO SOLVE AND WILL ONLY GET WORSE BY STAYING WITH THIS MINDSET. THE COUNTRY WAS BETTER OFF WHEN WE HAD A MORE STRICT, RIGID, NON-COTTLING, RULES ENFORCED SOCIETY. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW SCHOOLS. GLAD YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. BE HAPPY MS. ANDREW. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Middletown problem #1 imo:
Our students accept mediocrity by not giving 100% Their parents aren't concerned, and too many live in a way that discourages education and self-advancement in life Our athletes are comfortable with just good--and lack the determination to become "champions", though many(through parental conduct) believe that they are "champions" whether they achieve that level or not Our city govt. is complacent in thinking that we are improving our quality of life, when clearly we are not Our citizens are complacent in thinking that there is nothing they can do to make things better(a national trend) and have become so distanced from govt. entities that they don't pressure them for REAL accomplishment. As a whole, we are sinking in the current world order, only propped up by a "quality of life" financed by a long-term house of cards that--if not treated with REAL corrective(and probably painful) medicine will arrive much sooner than many think. We CAN change this, but it requires serious modification and tough love--not new taxes or ways to fleece actual working families of their income to subsidize those that have drained society for far too long. Rigid toughness and higher standards are not the enemy--in fact they are a necessary cure. The sooner the better Too many people have worked too hard and lived the right way for far too long just to lose everything in order to placate the screaming majority who have failed both themselves, their families and the rest of society. jmo end of today's downer rant
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acclaro
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No rant nor Debie Downer. Spoken on factual observation and an eye on the decline throughout Middletown, throughout the nation.
Living in Alice in Wonderland daily makes for a Humpty Dumpty existence....awaiting the fall off the wall. Middletown has fallen. Reality time, or someone clean up the mess in aisle 7. Excellent resonates, nothing less.
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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spiderjohn
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absolutely
the continual mantra of "it is getting better" does not make it so |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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I agree Spider.
Time for everyone to wake up, roll up their sleeves, go to work and make this a better world. Every year we are falling a little further down the ladder of greatness. |
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blue7
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Mrs. Andrew, are the scores from the Alternate Assessments part of this score released? Does MCSD have a higher number of students who qualify for special services or Alternate testing than other comparable districts, or about the same?
Or do the ESCs (Butler/Warren) provide those assesments and keep the data? |
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Marcia Andrew
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blue 7, I am not sure if the percentages that the state has released take into account students who, because of their special needs, take an Alternative Assessment. Middletown does have a higher percentage of students with special needs than other districts. The state mandates that a very small percentage of students may have a passing score on an Alternative Assessment qualify as passing the standard achievement test. For the rest of special education students beyond that limited number, they are counted as below proficient, even if they passed the Alternative Assessmen (unless they took the regular standardized test and passed it)t.
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