Public Comments From MPHA Meeting
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Printed Date: May 07 2024 at 5:44pm
Topic: Public Comments From MPHA Meeting
Posted By: randy
Subject: Public Comments From MPHA Meeting
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 6:21pm
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I have had a few calls today from people asking me to post my comments from last nights meeting, so here they are. I will also be posting more from that meeting as I get things together. Nothing I ever post is edited either. [SCRIPT] var so = new SWFObject('http://www.middletownusa.com/mediaplayer.swf','RandyAtCouncilVideo','400','300','8'); so.addParam('allowfullscreen','true'); so.addVariable('file','http://www.middletownusa.com/video/Randy%2DAt%2DCouncil%5Fconverted%2Eflv'); so.addVariable('overstretch','true'); so.addVariable('backcolor','0xFFFFFF'); so.addVariable('autostart','false'); so.addVariable('height','300'); so.addVariable('width','400'); so.addVariable('overstretch','fit'); so.addVariable('image','http://www.middletownusa.com/video/previews/Randy%2DAt%2DCouncil%2Ejpg'); so.addVariable('logo','http://www.middletownusa.com/video/data/musa-logo.png'); so.write('RandyAtCouncil'); [/SCRIPT] ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 7:05pm
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OK Randy, at the 2 minute 13 second mark of your post, Ms. Scott-Jones says there is a reason why we have so much Section 8 ....AND....she never explains what we are all wanting to hear. WHY do we have so much Section 8 Ms. Scott-Jones? I would really like to know how it evolved, who let it happen and why the disproportionate number of vouchers for a city this size and why she thinks other cities aren't ramping up the voucher numbers like Middletown has. I don't see any other cities going into the Section 8 business like this town has. Wonder why if it's such a great thing to do in the eyes of our city leaders. No one from the city has ever given us an answer to these questions. Why not?
By the way, who is the paperweight sitting to the right on council? Is that the newly appointed lawyer? Does he ever say anything? |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 7:16pm
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All I can say Vet is that past city leaders have made that choice the were in bed with landlords and others that have stake in high voucher numbers. We all know what council members have been there through all of this and what city employees have been there. I can also say that Scott-Jones, Laubach and Smith are the only ones asking any sort of questions. Everyone looks asleep and just uninterested in anything said. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 7:26pm
| Just want some straight answers to tough "get someone in trouble" questions. Don't need Scott-Jones jumping to the subject of great employers in town like AK and Miami-U-Middletown. Don't need Mr. Laubach going off on a speech about how we've lost our way on taking care of ourselves and taking no responsibility for our actions and living off the social services. Just need someone on council with some guts to tell all of us how we developed a Section 8 program that dwarfs anything any town around us has and who arranged the cozy fed money to city leader to slumlord Section 8 homeowner payments to keep these town destroying,welfare-ladened, ghetto breeding landlords in the money at our expense and the town's image in ruination? |
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 7:27pm
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Randy - Good job ! Was it just me or did they go on the defensive real quick ?
Like Vet said...what is this particular reason for all the section 8 that Mrs Jones mentioned ? ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: PattiGal
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 8:47pm
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Thank you Randy...not just for posting the clip, but for what you had to say to council. ------------- "Because nice matters..." |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 9:55pm
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For those who want to see the Whole Housing Meeting Fiasco.
http://tvmiddletown.blip.tv/file/4153713/ - http://tvmiddletown.blip.tv/file/4153713/
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:02pm
Richard Brandon of 515 Hidden Creek Dr. Monroe, OH.....Section 8 Landlord:
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:09pm
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:14pm
It would appear Dan Tracy has moved his Section 8 holdings under an LLC or Corp. Or maybe divested of his holdings....I doubt that. At last count I believe he had about 100+
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:34pm
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wasteful - Is Jeff Faulkner related to Ron of 4% realty ? What exactly are all these houses you listed ? I can't see a $450,000 house being section 8.
Now Branden Dickie is without a doubt rolling in section 8 or at least cheap rent. (if there is such a thing) ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:38pm
You've got that right..... 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wasteful wrote:Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:41pm
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Another Section 8 Out-of-towner?
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:44pm
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There have been several recent real estate transaction titled like this:
Street # Street Name Bailey LLC For example: 908 FIFTH AVENUE BAILEY LLC 421 YANKEE ROAD BAILEY LLC The tax mailing address for all of these is: Address 1 P O BOX 42342 Address 2 Address 3 MIDDLETOWN OH 45042 0342 Hmmmmmm. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 11:10pm
| Hermes I heard he was related in some way with Faulkner 4%, but I am not sure how. I think all of the ones that have the same price, like the ones all listed for $195,000.00 above are where Faulkner bought a whole building with Multiple units in it and the total price for all of the units was $195K and then the value of each unit is only about $35K. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 11:30pm
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I believe Jeff is Rob's nephew. I am like 90% sure of that. You know what to read these listings you guys have posted is sickening. If I was one of those people I sure wouldn't section 8 to be reduced either. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 11:38pm
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So what is the alternative that does not put people out on the street? ------------- |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 11:43pm
Doesn't put people on the street. That's the misconception. It shifts the burden to other parts of the county. The voucher doesn't go away. |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:18am
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In defense of Jeff Faulkner, those Wilbraham Rd. parcels are all those one room efficiency buildings bounded by Wilbraham, Carmody, Rt. 73. Also in his defense, he takes really good care of those properties. Since the buildings he owns are efficiency, there really isn't much he can do with them but rent them to single Section 8 renters. When they were originally built what could the demographic have been for that type of building besides temporary housing.
I want to also say that I think the problem isn't Dan Tracy or any other Section 8 landlord for stock piling these properties and renting them out. The excessively high voucher program was ok'd somewhere by the city and it's the city's fault for this mess. I'm a little uncomfortable with throwing out Section 8 landlords simply because they are Section 8 landlords. If they are being illegal or have poorly maintained properties, that is one thing. To toss blame at them when it is the city that is responsible for the Section 8 mess is just wrong. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 7:40am
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So Rhodes you are perfectly fine with how things are going in Middletown. Poverty has skyrocketed with Section 8 accounting for about 44% of that number. Middletown has become the concentration point for Poverty and Section 8 in Butler County.
So are You are happy with the fact that 500-600 landlords take precedence over 50000 other people that actually live in this city and pay the consequences?
This is one reason why Middletown will never turn itself around. It is all about being reasonable and spreading the Section 8 around the county. Ask any of these landlords to move 300 vouchers to Monroe, Camden or Madison Township and see what happens.
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Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 8:32am
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wasteful, Posting law abiding owners of properties in Middletown that have Section 8 renters as though those investors are the cause of the problem is dishonest. The cause of the problem is the city government, not the investors.
Where in my post did I say I was fine with the Section 8 situation in Middletown? It is so annoying the way some of you debate on this site. Pay attention to what somebody actually posts instead of always trying to jump into a fight like a fool. The landlords/investors are not the ones controlling where the vouchers go. This all started several years ago. You want to solve the problem, let's get down to the facts. Who came up with this idea? Who approved this voucher expansion? Who is responsible for keeping it intact? Why hasn't it been stopped yet? Why hasn't city council demanded a stop to it? Investors showing up at council meetings is NOT why this excessive voucher program exists. Posting Section 8 rental owners on this message board doesn't have anything to do with the city of Middletown whoring the town out as a huge ghetto. From what I understand, this voucher program was purposely grown by the city in order to get those big HUD checks the city has been living off since AK & others left town. Not sure if this is true or not, but it does has a ring of truth to it. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 9:00am
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Vet The reason Middletown has more Section 8 than any other city in Ohio is because the CITY requested more vouchers while Neil Barille and later Marty Kohler of the Planning Department were over the program. The requests for an increase of vouchers were written by the planning department and approved by City Council. The Section 8 program increased the declining population, filled the empty housing stock of The failure of this plan was an impact study was never completed on the effects of bringing this much Section 8 and Public Housing into one City. The City will tell you these are two separate issues but they are not… because…while And to add to the above problems local companies started closing and or moving away and with them went the higher wage earners of the community. It is my opinion that while Mr. Kohler was over the program he did not enforce the rules or do his duty to take care of the Section 8 problems. Then the City hired Nelson Self and he exposed many of the problems and started cleaning them up…and we all know how this ended… This is a total failure of City Leadership from top to bottom ….more on this subject matter later…. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 9:17am
Rhodes if you will stop ranting and raving like a "Fool" and had paid attention to this issue for the last 3 years you would know the answers to the above questions.
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 9:25am
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Reality is we have to get past the blame game - we all know the cause. We also know that because of the current economic condition the United State is in - we can not fix it over night. We need a good solid plan to get things better - stay out of the past, you can't change - but look to the future. Post your ideas of how we can change things. No idea is too little small changes can add up. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 9:41am
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Bobbie |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 10:06am
| It is not an easy question to answer - that is for sure. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 10:29am
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It is an easier question to answer if you stop looking at the problem in terms of Landlords and Voucher holders and start looking at the Big Picture and take the city as a whole. This is not just a problem that can be dealt with in those terms as there are to many affected areas in the city and to many people involved.
It is not as simple as 500 Landlords and 1600 Voucher Holders.
It is a matter of 50000 residents
100's of businesses
excessive poverty
The affect on the school system, look at all of the Children not just the few.
The affect on city services
The affect on the local economy
The affect on the future economy of the city, will busiensses and new residents want to move her.
The affect on the population of Middletown which is declining. Our children are leaving and not returning as the city has nothing to offer them.
And on and on and on.
For me if you look at the Big Picture the issue becomes clearer on what needs to be done. Will landlords lose money probably if they don't adapt and that is the way it goes in business. Will Voucher holders lose their vouchers ......NO. So move on to the other issues.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:36am
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Posted By: Nick_Kidd
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:47am
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The section 8 problem will never be corrected until the citizens of Middletown elect someone with a spine to stand up to the criminals in the city building. Council’s “not wanting to look back or place blame but only want to look forward” does nothing more than reward failure and cause us to keep making the same mistakes and allowing the same conduct in the city building that destroyed our once fine city. Until we rid ourselves of those that got us into this mess, we can not move forward. A few years ago, I remember Schiavone asking Kohler about the increase in section 8 and was told that council had voted to expand the number of vouchers. When Schiavone questioned that response, Kohler told him that he had just given council the “highlights” of the program and then council have voted to approve the program. Then, as today, the people in the city building just give council the info that will get council the vote “correctly”. Follow the money. The money skimmed off the block grants, including section 8, the money stolen from the Auto and Gas Fund, the sewer separation fund and others, goes to salaries and benefits for the nearly 400 over-paid under-performing people that get city paychecks. There is only one reason for anyone to get a city paycheck and that is to make Middletown a better or safer place to live or have a business. We are a high crime slum. We are the #1 fastest dying city (i.e. the least desirable place to live or work) in the country (with a population under 100,000). We could get rid of half of the cities paychecks and remain #1 on the Forbes fastest dying list. Ridding ourselves of certain people that work for the city, would improve our standing on the Forbes list and our reputation & image. HUD has said that we need the vouchers that we have in Middletown. My opinion is that the only way Middletown can get rid of vouchers is by getting more jobs in town. Misappropriating funds that should be repairing our streets, maintaining our parks, opening our pools, separating our sewers and all the other requirements of a city, to pay people to run our business off or keep new ones from coming in is insanity. Getting jobs to come to a high crime slum (with the wonderful stench downtown) with some of the lowest performing schools in the state, with the least amenities and high taxes is all but impossible. We must start with the basics and correct problems as we build. We all heard what happened with Lenny Robinson last week. That kind of insanity must stop but council doesn’t want to look back or place blame. So we keep our high rating on the Forbes list and keep our well-deserved image and reputation intact. ------------- Government is not the answer to problems, government is the problem. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 1:35pm
| Thank you Vivian for the overview of how the Section 8 overabundance got its start here. I would have liked to have seen Ms. Scott-Jones elaborate as you have in front of TV Middletown and the audience and to have seen the looks on the others faces as the beans were spilled. But no, didn't happen. No one with any guts to speak frankly behind that desk? Too intimidated perhaps, to speak the truth and are experts at beating the board up with the hammer but never hitting the nail on the head as Mr. Laubach did. Too embarassing to incriminate Kohler and the others in front of the public? Too bad. Public officials need their dirty laundry aired in public. Why spare the feelings of people who have done so much damage to this community? |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:28pm
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wasteful, Typing in bold and playing with the color wheel didn't prove my post wrong. This is not about the landlords, as I said, this is about the city government. That's who is to blame. Posting landlord/investor names on this site as though they are some evil people for taking advantage of a situation is not the problem. Most of those investors probably had no clue the voucher program would keep growing and growing. They didn't just buy all their houses one day, they did it over many years and kept increasing their inventories. Dan Tracy & Jeff Faulkner have both had many rental properties for over 20 years.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:34pm
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:39pm
I'm just shaking in my boots here old Rhodey, don't think I'll be able to eat or sleep for a week now.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:39pm
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Rhodes, I respectfully disagree with you on your thoughts about the landlords not playing a roll in the number of vouchers we have in So, the question is why not buy property in They want them here where they don’t live and don’t have to see them. So you see ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:56pm
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wasteful, it isn't about shaking in your boots. It's about paying attention to the debate at hand. You posted owner information of properties on here as though those people are the ones that caused the problem, when they are absolutely not the reason for the growth of the voucher program.
randy, the investors buy in Middletown because the vouchers are in Middletown. The investors do not control how many vouchers are available in what city, etc. I don't understand how you think that is the fault of an investor. The program is government controlled, not private investor controlled. If it is investor controlled, that's the first time I have ever heard that one. We can't just jump on investors for seeing an opportunity and taking advantage of the opportunity. If the city hadn't created the opportunity, the investors would go elsewhere. You bring up Camden, I guess because Faulkner lives. He lives there because that is where his then girlfriend, possible wife now (not sure) is from. He didn't move out of Middletown because of too many vouchers in the city. He's lived in Camden for about 15-20 years now. I believe Dan Tracy lives on Golfview Dr., so he's another one that doesn't live outside of the city. And the biggest point you all seem to keep missing. There are many investors that have bought tons of homes in Middletown for years. Most never bothered with Section 8 renters until after the AK lockout a few years ago. That's when even the rental market got desperate. If you're owning 20-30 houses or however many, you're going to fill those so you don't lose your investments in any way that you can. Simple fact is, this is the fault of a poorly managed city. To blame investors is pointing the blame in the wrong direction. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 3:59pm
| Randy, I would say they Buy here because it is convenient, plentiful, cheap, concentrated in one area, Section 8 Recipients living in Middletown got preference, maybe they got some deals from the city when the push was on to increase vouchers, not sure on that one. When you can buy a home for $10-15K or less put $5K into it and get guaranteed rent of $800-900 a month doesn't take long to be profitable, especially when you look at the number of units these landlords have. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 4:07pm
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Rhodes, the Vouchers are here because the rental properties are here. Any one that has a section 8 voucher can take that voucher ANY WHERE in the country and use it. That is a fact. So if these guys would invest in other cities maybe voucher holders that are here would move there. I Middletown Section 8 tenet is not limited to living in Middletown. As for Jeff, he has not lived in Middletown for 15 to 20 years as you said. So invest in the place where you live. Dan Tracy does live here and on Golfview as you also state, the point is and the question is why dont they invest in other areas? and I believe Wasteful nailed it, it's because property is cheap here. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 4:10pm
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Rhodes I posted owner information on here so that we know what we are dealing with, are we dealing with someone that owns 5 housing units, or 100 Units, personally I think it matters. If you don't like it to bad. Call up the Butler County Auditor to encrypt the info as it is public information.
Number 2 I am not blaming the Investors for anything. But I am also not going to lose any sleep if they lose money on their properties eventually as many other Businesses in town have lost their investment due to the situation in Middletown.
Rhodes you have a very limited view of an issue which spans many different avenues in Middletown, from the Schools system to the local Business economy and everything in between.
To many people in town are worried about the Investor in housing and the Voucher holder. The person you need to worry least about is the voucher holder as they have a voucher and won't lose it unless they cause the loss. The investors well times change and if they can't adapt to change that is their problem and the rest of the city and it's residents shouldn't have to suffer just for their profit.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 4:43pm
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to be fair not all of those properties listed are section 8 rentals either. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: PattiGal
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 5:08pm
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Is there a way to check and see if these multiple property owners are up to date on their real estate taxes? ------------- "Because nice matters..." |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 5:24pm
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wasteful, you're boring.
randy, vouchers may be taken anywhere, but doesn't each government body determine how many they allow? Can anyone confirm this? This is the first I heard that the investors are the ones dictating the number of vouchers for a city. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 5:44pm
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Rhodes, the fact that property owners buy these homes and rent out to section 8 tenets in Middletown keeps the numbers here high. I am not sure if the local government has any say in the number of vouchers allowed in there city. I dont think so though. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 6:21pm
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Wow-such good info and discussion from so many knowledgeable contributors.
Ms.Moon and Mr.Kidd were right on the money with the cold, hard truth. wasteful and Rhodes are both right in their own ways. So many to share the blame over a long time period, though most involved passed through or controlled the city building. So the blame runs primarily in that direction. The solution will be painful for everyone, whether you think that way or not. Everyone will lose somehow. Those that profited most from the situation may well lose the most--so it goes. No one wants to see anyone tossed into the street, however Section 8 was never meant to be a long-term way of life. The entitlement age is rapidly coming to an end, whether you are on welfare,Section 8 or retired or working municipal employee. The private sector can no longer be you sole benefactor. Everyone must contribute their fair share in many different ways. We must all stay productive for as long as possible. Double-dipping must be eliminated. Beauty of this is that Council/admin is monitoring everything we post, and they know that realistically the writing is on the wall. No turning back. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 6:59pm
| That's right Rhodes head for the hills with the name calling......hahahahaha. Funny how some can't have a conversation without the name calling. |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 7:39pm
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randy, reading the post above by Vivian pretty much clears the investors of blame. It was the city that increased the number of vouchers. The investors just took advantage of it.
I don't mind going after investors if they are breaking the law regarding their rentals or something like that. I don't think it is fair to publicly mark them on this board or anywhere else as though they caused the voucher program to get out of hand. Investors invest, they take risks. It was the city that created the environment that is currently ruining this city. And it is ALL over the city. They have managed to put Section 8 renters in areas over by The Jug, Ayreshire Acres (sp), all around Sunset Park. This is how you destroy a city. Maybe the next Metropolitan housing complex should be built on the South Park property, right across the street from Mr. Kohler. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 7:59pm
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I agree that they did not cause the problem, they just took advantage of what was happening. But at this point they are still a part of problem. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 10:34pm
That assumes that decent housing exists in other parts of the county and that people are able to pick up their lives and relocate. Middletown is the only part of the county with a transit system.
I'm sure there is a way to gradually ramp down vouchers, but it is going to take some time. ------------- |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:36pm
Well once the Sun Coke is done, there will be plenty of decent housing in Monroe since.... ;) |
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Date Posted: Sep 26 2010 at 1:21am
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Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: Oct 11 2010 at 10:17pm
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