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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jun 11 2015 at 8:56am |
Posted: 12:00 a.m.
Thursday, June 11, 2015 Council to consider
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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What happens if Grau defaults on his plans to upgrade the Manchester during any part of the 12 year term and has received these tax abatements on the premise that he would do the upgrades and fails to do so?
Does he have to pay the city the entire abated 12 year taxes that he agreed to pay or just the years he was in development should he cease development early? Otherwise, the city is gambling on a promise that Grau will follow through. How does that work? |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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actually, I believe the CRA tax abatement is only the increase in property value. So hypothetically speaking, if the Manchester has a taxable value of $125,000 and through improvements the value increases to $500,000--the tax abatement only applies to the $375,00 increase in value.
Therefore if no improvements are made, no increase in value, no tax abatement. But I could be wrong.
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Dean
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I would recommend Grau take the two buildings, write a business plan based upon his vision, with the National Register certification, and be selling both properties to a major national hotel chain, Marriott Properties, Westin, etc. Cash out on a Mm on a cap outlay below 100 Kk. Let a chain build his vision. Such an easy drive to UD and Miami in Oxford. UD now owns the Marriott and lease the brand name, and sub-contract the property management to another company. That works great for UD as they have the ability to use the hotel for alum, students, parents, and all the events occurring in Dayton.. Having GE across the street also helps. Cash out Grau, sell your vision and the credits.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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interesting, Dean--amazing that our city leaders wouldn't have done the same.
I have met Mr.Grau--seems very nice and genuine. I wish him all the best in this project. Still needs to trim his grass and weeds. We have been burned on most other city purchases/giveaways to date imo. No conditions, requirements or timelines ever included, and most of theses projects are at a standstill. No incentive to fix/develop anything until the taxpayers eventually pay for everything. Are we going to continue to do it the same way again? Anyone else heard a rumor that the Manchester may well turn in to a casino? |
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swohio75
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Projects may feel like a standstill, but partially due to he historic tax credit piece.
Both properties on the NRHP. Grau has applied for tax credits during the March cycle for the Snider project because he wasn't quite ready to submit his application for the Manchester project. March awards have not been announced. Because the tax credits require restoration, you have to be extremely careful on work that's done otherwise, those credits could be jeopardized The process is painfully long. Look at Hamilton and how long some of their development projects downtown have taken.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Talking about historic restoration of the Manchester Inn. Yes these rules are very restrictve and therefore I'm unsure if Mr Grau can make all the upgrades needed to compete with the motels out by I-75. He better have his ducks in a row before he submitts his blueprints and his plans to the Historic Committee in September.
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409
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MJ:
2 Middletown projects receive tax abatements By Ed Richter Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Middletown City Council approved a pair of tax abatements Tuesday for the redevelopment of the former Manchester Inn and the adjacent Snider Building. Illinois-based developer William Grau announced plans earlier this year to restore the Manchester Inn, which closed four years ago, to an operating 70-room/suite boutique hotel with a restaurant, conference and meeting space, and ballroom. The estimated cost of the project is $12.7 million. The tax abatement approved Tuesday for the Manchester Inn is valued at approximately $104,000 a year for a total of $1.24 million over the 12-year abatement period. The city’s portion of the property taxes that would be abated is estimated to be $9,660 a year — or $115,920 over the abatement period. The Snider Building is to be redeveloped as a brewery, taproom, distillery project that would have a direct relationship with the Manchester Inn redevelopment. The estimated cost of that project is $3.5 million. The tax abatement for the Snider Building, also known as the Sonshine Building, is valued at $45,000 a year for a total of $546,00 over the 12-year abatement. On Tuesday, Grau told the Journal-News he would be resubmitting an application for state historic tax preservation tax credits for both the Snider Building and Manchester Inn projects. The application submitted in March for the Snider Building project was ruled ineligible for that award cycle because no pre-application meeting was held with the State Historic Preservation Office. “Our original intent was to apply in Round 15 (September 2015) for both the Manchester Hotel and Snider Building but choose to submit an application for the Snider Building in Round 14 in hopes of getting a jump on the microbrewery,” Grau said via email. Grau also said the group is currently in talks with several existing microbreweries as potential partners, including Cigar City Brewing located in Tampa, Fla. Assuming the State Historic Tax Credits are awarded in December, Grau said construction on the Snider Building could begin in January 2016 with the completion and opening of the microbrewery and taproom in September, just in time for Oktoberfest. He also said that assuming New Market Tax Credits are secured and the State Historic Tax Credits are awarded in December, the Manchester Hotel construction could begin in April 2016 with completion and opening in June 2017. |
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