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TonyB
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Posted: Jun 29 2012 at 1:28pm |
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acclaro, that's why I say they'll close if they lose money, because they have so little invested. While it won't really help their bottom line all that much, it will appear to trustees that they are trying to keep their costs contained. HEP can walk away and leave Middletown holing the bag on the entire deal. Maybe they won't close if they lose money the first year but if they under perform for 3 years, it will definitely go the way of the dinosaur!
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 6:10am |
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From todays Middletown Journal
Texas-based Metal Coaters is making $18 million worth of renovation and interior improvements to its metal coil coating plant at 2400 Yankee Road, Hamet said. Cincinnati State’s office renovation of 2 Main Street is scheduled to be completed this summer at a cost of $3.5 million.
Where did this 3.5 million dollar number come from for the CG&E building?? |
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Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 8:43am |
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Ms. Viv,
If I'm not mistaken, these funds would be provided by the developer, the Massachusetts-based "Higher Education Partners". GG |
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VietVet
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Posted: Jul 02 2012 at 8:05pm |
So the city is not taking the hit this time by providing the 3.5 mil rehab money.....HEP is. Ok, wonder what the agreement is between CS and HEP that would lock CS in and allow HEP to recoup it's money? HEP just isn't going to throw 3.5 mil into a building for a temporary occupancy of CS for a few years and call it a good investment, right? |
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Posted: Jul 04 2012 at 5:18pm |
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So the city is not taking the hit this time by providing the 3.5 mil rehab money.....HEP is. Ok, wonder what the agreement is between CS and HEP that would lock CS in and allow HEP to recoup it's money? HEP just isn't going to throw 3.5 mil into a building for a temporary occupancy of CS for a few years and call it a good investment, right?
VietVet, I can’t begin to tell you that I know the content of their agreement. I would assume that they have as much protection as Cincinnati State was willing to give them and my guess is that it was minimal. My assumption is that HEP is making their investment based upon the numbers provided by the third party consulting firm as to the school’s probability of success (which was good). My “feel” on the situation is that Cincinnati State’s involvement was contingent upon their risk being “almost” non-existent. GG |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 16 2012 at 4:08pm |
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LEGISLATION ITEM 4 RESOLUTION NO. R2012-18 A RESOLUTION TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO APPROPRIATIONS FOR CURRENT EXPENSES AND OTHER EXPENDITURES OF THE CITY OF COUNTIES OF ENDING FUND & DOWNTOWN FUND) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Section 1 The following sums are hereby appropriated from the East End Fund of the City to accounts of the City for the purposes herein described as follows: FROM: Unappropriated East End Fund (Fund #480) $729,051.00 TOTAL EAST END FUND $729,051.00 TO: Accounts of 990 (480.990.54400) $729,051.00 Section 2 The following sums are hereby appropriated from the Downtown Improvement Fund of the City to accounts of the City for the purposes herein described as follows: FROM: Unappropriated Downtown Improvement Fund (Fund #481) $35,000.00 TO: Accounts of: 600 $25,000.00 603 $ 7,000.00 TOTAL DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT FUND $35,000.00 604 $ 3,000.00 Section 3 The Director of Finance is hereby authorized to draw his warrants on the City Treasurer for payments from any of the foregoing appropriations upon receiving proper certificates and vouchers therefore, approved by the Board of Officers authorized by law to approve the same, or an ordinance or resolution of the City Council to make expenditures provided that no warrants shall be drawn or paid for salaries or wages except to persons employed by authority of and in accordance with law or ordinance. Section 4 All legislation inconsistent herewith is hereby repealed. Section 5 This resolution is declared to be an emergency measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public health, safety and general welfare, to wit: to assure that sufficient monies are appropriated to meet anticipated expenses from these funds for the remainder of the present year. __________________________________ Adopted: __________________________ Attest: ______________________________ Clerk of the City Council H:/law/leg/2012 leg/r Approp East End & Downtown Funds.doc For the Business Meeting of S T A F F R E P O R T TO: Judy Gilleland, City Manager FROM: Denise Hamet, Economic Development Director PURPOSE To authorize a supplemental appropriation of $35,000 to the Downtown Improvement Fund, #481. BACKGROUND and FINDINGS The Downtown Improvement fund budget includes ongoing building maintenance, property tax, and related costs. Last year, when we budgeted for these buildings, we agreed to mothball the 1. We will see funds going back into the account when our property tax exemption requested is approved. A representative of the Butler County Property Tax Auditor confirmed our documents are being processed, and that we should be able to achieve exemption for the buildings and a refund of taxes paid (excluding special assessments) Downtown Improvement Fund Supplemental Appropriation Request relating to the period occurring since purchase. This will probably occur sometime in the remainder of the year. 2. We have requested Higher Education Partners (HEP) to put the utilities in their name. Our current proposal to HEP is to transfer the utilities as of 3. We will deposit into the account the payments for the building purchased by HEP. The closure of the sale is anticipated to occur soon. The current agreement with HEP calls for the payment of the $200,000 will be completed by ALTERNATIVES None. OTHER CONSIDERATIONS None. The unappropriated balance in the Downtown Improvement Fund will be reduced by $35,000. FINANCIAL IMPACT RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends City Council approve the Supplemental Appropriation to the Downtown Improvement Fund (fund number 481) in the amount of $35,000. CONFORMITY TO CITY POLICY This project is consistent with the City’s 2005 Master Plan and falls under Objective ED2: “Establish an economic development entity with the authority and accountability to effectively attract and retain jobs and businesses”. EMERGENCY/NON EMERGENCY Emergency. We do not want to exceed the appropriated amount for the account. DEPARTMENTAL CLEARANCES Law Department Finance Department |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 7:07am |
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After reading this resolution I find that for one of the few times in my life I’m speechless. Here is the link to the Downtown Fund 2012 |
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VietVet
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Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 11:20am |
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Ms. Viv states.....
"Classes for Cincinnati State start in about 45 days. ….and now we are informed that we still DO NOT HAVE a signed contract for this deal and that City Hall is still paying the utility bills on this building while it is being remodeled. ….that City Hall will not receive payment until 2-15-2013?" So, for clarity, the city is allowing CS/HEP to occupy the former CG&E building, even though they haven't received payment for said premises. Occupancy of the building starts in 45 days with CS classes and the city will not receive any money for the sale of the building until Feb, 2013 AND, the city is paying utilities during the renovations, on a building that was "sold" to HEP? And how many out there would allow this to happen if they were handling this particular deal? No pay, no occupancy and we sure as hell aren't going to pay your utilities on a building you own. To date, has the city gotten anything out of this in their favor? |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 2:03pm |
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To date, has the city gotten anything out of this in their favor? ..Vet Vet NO!....HEP nor Cincy State have invested one penny in this deal.
Why would you let CS-HEP start the restoration without a signed final contract and a check in the palm of your hand. I thought Ms Judy was to finish this deal in May? |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 2:49pm |
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If HEP had an ounce of business acumen, they would lease the buildings for three years from the city, and NEVER buy them, avoiding paying property tax. The city doesn't pay property tax, and that saves HEP cashflow, if they have a brain---maybe they do, maybe they don't.
By awaiting until February, the city is allowing them enough time to claim their % of the revenue they take from the 100 students that will attend C State in the fall, if it is that many. I think it will be more like 70. Their break-even (BE) pt is 3500. HEP would be foolish to sign anything more than 3 years, and to only lease the buildings, never buy them. As the city continues to act like a landlord, their shift on the burden of the residential property owner increases. Nancy Nix gleefully helps the city out with their non taxable status, but its the residents whom absorb this extra tax burden in deficit. MEMO TO HEP: Your shareholders in pe don't want you buying buildings, lease them, let the city not pay taxes, you lease, and wait for 3 years to see how close you are to the 3500 BE position. |
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greygoose
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Posted: Jul 17 2012 at 7:20pm |
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I would be more than happy to allow someone to make $3,000,000.00 worth of improvements on my property without a contract. If they walk, the improvements are mine. I don't see the risk as unmanageable.
However, I would be really surprised if there aren't executed contracts at this point in the game. GG |
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acclaro
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Posted: Jul 18 2012 at 9:41am |
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I believe if there is a delay, it is associated with the city obtaining the low interest rate loan through HUD for the improvements. The city may need to have it in their name until the work is completed to obtain the loans, and then pass it through to HEP. Either way, its not associated in the least HEP is resisting moving forward, its associated I assume, with the renovation stage.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 18 2012 at 10:18am |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 18 2012 at 10:31am |
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BTW did you notice that not one City Council Member said a word about transferring another $35,000 into the Dontown Fund to cover the expenses of the CS-HEP project? |
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Posted: Jul 20 2012 at 1:29pm |
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Posted: 12:16 p.m. Friday, July 20, 2012 Board of regents OKs new Cincy State health degree
Staff Report CINCINNATI — The Ohio Board of Regents has given Cincinnati State Technical & Community College approval to offer an associate’s degree in That action marks a final step in the development of a program that is designed to meet employer needs in what is projected by the U.S. Department of Labor to be an area of high
demand, according to the school. The program — which will start this fall — will provide graduates with the necessary skills to find positions in hospitals, health care systems, physicians’ offices, pharmaceutical and
biotechnology companies, insurance and managed care providers and other providers. It will also be integrated with a Health Information Technology program offered at Miami University’s branch campuses, so that students might pursue a bachelor’s degree in the same field.
The new health program will be offered in online, and in traditional and hybrid classroom formats. It will also be available at its new Middletown campus which classes start Aug. 29.
“This is a good example of how we want Ohio’s higher education system to work for students, families and business,” said Board of Regents Chancellor Jim Petro. “There will clearly be a demand
for trained workers at all levels in the health information technology field. Cincinnati State and Miami University are working together to offer the necessary education and training in a smart, cost-effective way.” Cincinnati State President O’dell Owens said the new “We need whole new skill sets to support the medical professional today,” he said. “At the same time, we’re finding that our students have different approaches to learning those skills.”
The program, co-chaired by Cincinnati State faculty Bob Nields and Cindy Kneip, will offer two majors: Healthcare Programming and Systems Analysis and Healthcare Informatics.
“This is an exciting program for us because while it builds on our historic strengths, it’s a new field with enormous growth potential,” said Monica Posey, Cincinnati State Academic Vice President.
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Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 2:53pm |
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From The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Spending decisions
irk Cincy State staff Teachers: Administrative
costs have gotten too high CLIFTON — O’dell Owens said he
needed to spend more to build up student retention, marketing and information
technology at Cincinnati State Technical & Community College. But that has him at odds
with teachers who see administrative spending going up and faculty spending on
the decline. “Cincinnati State needed
some people in different spots,” Owens said. “I’ve been very conscious about
the people we’ve hired.” In the two years since
Owens left the Hamilton County coroner’s job to become president of Cincinnati
State, administrative spending has jumped 14.5 percent to a budgeted $8 million
for the 2013 fiscal year that started July 1. Spending on support staff
also has increased, including the low-level hiring of Owens’ daughter. During
the same period, spending on full-time teachers dropped 3.5 percent to $14.4
million. The numbers come at a
critical time for Cincinnati State. The college already is cutting about $7.3
million to balance this year’s budget, in part by freezing 27 open positions. If enrollment drops more
this fall, more cuts will be needed. Enrollment this spring was 10,168, down 7
percent from the same period last year. Owens said he has
approved five new faculty jobs for humanities alone. But after a bitter strike
by faculty in 2011, teachers take exception to increasing administrative
spending. “I really do think you
know something about an organization’s priorities by the way it works the
budget,” said Geoff Woolf, chairman of the English and Literature Department
and chief negotiator for the American Association of University Professors
chapter. “I’m not opposed to the college doing what it has to do to be a
flexible, stable organization, but there has to be a sense of balance.” The buildup is not a
surprise. Even before Owens took over at Cincinnati State in September 2010, he
announced plans to build up marketing and retention programs to try to raise
the college’s profile and keep more students on campus. “The faculty’s always
going to have concerns,” Owens said. “They do care about the academics and they
would like to see more full-time faculty positions.” Hires on the
administrative side include: • $144,000 a year for
Chief Information Officer David Hickey in February. The college currently hires
an outside firm for those services and will save about $125,000 this year by
bringing that in-house, it says. “Everything we do in this
school gets touched by IT,” Owens said. “How do you have a school that’s moving
to more online courses without a vice president of IT?” • $97,000 a year for
Martino Harmon, the new executive director of student retention, in May. Owens
said improving the 46 percent first-year retention rate is his top priority. Harmon’s salary is
covered by federal money coming with a huge grant from the Labor Department. “I’ve said I want to
orient the budget around retention,” Owens said. “By holding onto more
students, I’m effectively recruiting more students.” • Local celebrity chef
Jean-Robert de Cavel was hired before Owens arrived at $100,000 a year as
chef-in-residence at Cincinnati State’s Midwest Culinary Institute. Owens has
cut his salary to $60,000 but says the visibility is well worth it. “I look at Jean-Robert as
part of marketing,” Owens said. “He’s part of the brand.” • Owens’ daughter Morgan
also was hired May 2011 as a coordinator in Cincinnati State’s marketing
department at $38,000 a year. Owens said he did not even know his
daughter, a Miami University graduate, had applied for a job and once he was
told about it he sought an opinion to make sure it didn’t violate Cincinnati
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 3:56pm |
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Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 5:59pm |
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Gonna start classes in Sept or Oct? Only 120 students so far? Projected start up number was what, 500 or is that too high? Kinda lagging behind on almost every item Viv has listed. Think it will all come together in time? Or, is this going to be another city attempt at fostering failure because it wasn't thought out thoroughly? Another city "knee-jerk" attempt at doing something to breath life into a dormant downtown (and, the real reason..... maintain property values at the Mulligan and Kohler estates of course)
Is this destined to go the way of Lake Middletown, Bicentennial Commons, City Centre Mall, and all the other clusters the city leaders have come up with?
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Posted: Jul 21 2012 at 6:47pm |
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the real reason..... maintain property values at the Mulligan and Kohler estates of course)
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Today's Journal...update on CS....
Cincy State ready to move in next month CINCINNATI — One month out from opening its first branch campus in Butler County, Cincinnati State Technical & Community College officials say they are right on track. School officials are set to move into the Cincinnati State Middletown building at 1 N. Main St. by Aug. 14 — a date that’s been revised since the city of Middletown and school signed contracts with contractor and school financier Higher Education Partners. Some items are being moved into the building’s second floor, said Carla Chance, Cincinnati State executive vice president of facilities to the school’s board of trustees Tuesday afternoon. And over the next few weeks, more items will be gradually moved in. “We are where we need to be by the end of July,” she said. And while moving into the buidling is on target, enrollment is ahead of schedule, said Cincinnati State Director of Admissions Gabriele Brockermann The school has reached its Aug. 1 goal of 100 admitted students a week ahead of schedule, Brockermann said. As of July 24, she said 103 have been admitted and 95 have registered. Wait a minute!.....perhaps our first glitch.... Though the goal is 100 shy of the school’s 200 students enrolled by Aug. 29, school officials believe they’ll achieve it, said Jean Manning, vice president of Marketing and Communications. “Historically speaking, August is your busiest month with enrollments because so many people wait till the last minute (to enroll),” she said. “We think it’s going extremely well, and with the help of all the Middletown community we look for great success,” said Cincinnati State board of trustee President Cathy Crain We shall see, MS. Crain, we shall see. Now, a hundred kids in that big old ex-CG&E building is going to look a bit deserted, isn't it? Forget the other two mothballed buildings or the Manchester. Looks like the city will be the owners on those for years to come. What about the old Seniors Center? When shall we see that put to good use? Admin. offices down the road perhaps? 3500 kids looks a long way off about now, doesn't it? |
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Cincy State ready to move in next month
By Michael D. Pitman CINCINNATI — And as much as a buzz that’s been created since Cincinnati State signed its contract with Higher Education Partners — and the city sold the building to HEP — there’s been an equal amount of excitement of the board. |
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Vet In the early stages of this deal City Hall stated that more than 500 Middletown students were attending CS-Cinn Campus and they projected that that would be the start up enrollment at CS-Middletown Campus. Then about a year ago the number changed to 200.
CS-HEP are only going to remodel three floors of the CG&E building for the Aug 2012 startup. All other improvements on the buildings will be completed as the enrollment increases over the coming years. We still do not know how many of the 103 students will be online students. Don’t forget that CS-HEP said 3,500 students is the break ever number for this project. City Hall has millions of dollars invested in this deal with no break even number in sight…. |
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CITY MANAGER’S REPORT Some members of staff and I toured the facility last week. Many improvements have been made to the building that will bring modern classrooms to downtown. The Construction is scheduled to be completed sometime in the next month.
The Ohio Board of Regents has given That action marks a crucial final step in the development of a program that is designed to meet employer needs in what is projected by the U.S. Department of Labor to be an area of high demand. The program at It will also be integrated with a Health Information Technology program offered at “This is a good example of how we want Cincinnati State President O’dell M. Owens, a physician, said the new degree program – and the way it will be taught – demonstrates how information technology is changing both medicine and education. “We need whole new skill sets to support the medical professional today,” Dr. Owens said. “At the same time, we’re finding that our students have different approaches to learning those skills.” The Health Information Technology program at The program, co-chaired by Healthcare Programming and Systems Analysis. This will focus on the application of software development and analysis within the health care industry, and train graduates for jobs as software developers or analysts who support healthcare software applications. Healthcare Informatics. This will provide students with the knowledge and skills to understand, “mine,” analyze, report and support healthcare data throughout the continuum of care. “This is an exciting program for us because while it builds on our historic strengths, it’s a new field with enormous growth potential,” said Dr. Monica Posey, Academic Vice President at Because of its long history of placing students in clinical rotations, and because of its work with the Health Careers Collaborative of Greater Cincinnati, Dr. Posey said, faculty and staff at the College have maintained a solid understanding of workforce demands and the technological changes that are transforming the industry. In particular, she said, national and regional studies show that the industry is moving rapidly to incorporate new development in the information technology field into both clinical care and efforts at cost-effectiveness, improved patient access to their records and the like. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, she noted, employment in the health information technology area is projected to increase by approximately 20 percent through 2018. Research cited by the Regents suggests that salaries for workers in starting positions have potential to be between $34,000 and $44,000 annually. Dr. Posey said initial enrollment is projected at approximately 25 full-time and 20 part-time students. Both the |
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CITY MANAGER’S REPORT
July 25, 2012 The construction on the Cincinnati State project is in progress and looking great! Some members of staff and I toured the facility last week. Many improvements have been made to the building that will bring modern classrooms to downtown. The Construction is scheduled to be completed sometime in the next month. I'M SURE IT LOOKS SPIFFY MS. GILLELAND. WITH 103 KIDS SO FAR AND PERHAPS 10 OR SO CLASSROOMS, NOT TO MENTION THE KIDS THAT WILL NOT BE ATTENDING, PREFERRING TO DO CLASSES ON-LINE, IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE DESOLATE IN THOSE CLASSROOMS, ISN'T IT? WHAT, PERHAPS A 3:1 STUDENT/ TEACHER RATIO PER CLASS? THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE INTEREST THAN THAT BY NOW. THIS IS ALOT OF SELF-PROMOTION AND HIGH HOPES FOR SUCH A SLOW START. I'D BE A TAD BIT CONCERNED IF I WERE THE CS PEOPLE, HEP AND THE CITY. BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR THEM AT THIS POINT IS THAT THEY COME OUT OF THIS WITH EGG ON THEIR FACE. WORST CASE, OF COURSE, IS THE MONEY EXPENDITURE ISSUES. HOPE IT PICKS UP FOR THEM. OTHERWISE....... |
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greygoose wrote:
Is this destined to go the way of Lake Middletown, Bicentennial Commons, City Centre Mall, and all the other clusters the city leaders have come up with?
