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    Posted: Feb 06 2010 at 12:46pm

Top three goals from this council retreat:

2010

1. Public safety

2. Finances

3. Infrastructure.

 

Top three goals from past council retreats:

2009

1. Fiscal prudence

2. Section 8 housing

3. Economic development

2008

1. Cleaning up blight, rebuilding infrastructure, sticking with Master Plan

2. Developing partnerships with surrounding counties, townships and communities

3. Creation of jobs, and expanding economic development

2007

1. Redevelopment

2. Identify long-term sources of income

3. Select a new city manager

("We did a lot of talk today, but it's up to us to do it," said Councilman Jim Armbruster.)

2006

1. New taxes

2. New streets

3. New development

Gee, that sure is a lot of different stuff, isn’t it??? Or is it???

We have: A. New development, redevelopment, economic development, and expanding economic development.

We have: B. New taxes, long-term sources of income, fiscal prudence, and finances.

We have: C. New streets, infrastructure, and rebuilding infrastructure.

All that leaves is: Public Safety; Select a new city manager; Section 8; Developing partnerships with surrounding counties, townships and communities; and Sticking with the Master Plan.

Well, forget about “Sticking with the Master Plan”! Even though it was one of the “Top Three” for 2008, here in the 2010 Retreat we find it needs “Upgrading”!!!

And perhaps we should forget about “Developing partnerships with surrounding counties, townships and communities.” Since we made that a top priority in 2008, we have been spending hundreds of thousands of dollars per year fighting law suits with two of our closest neighbors: Franklin and Monroe!!!

Section 8??? Sorry, folks!!! We can sit here until the cows come home and CALL it a “top priority”, but until we investigate how and why it “went wrong”, NOTHING is going to change!!! If we do NOT know what is the matter, HOW CAN WE FIX IT??? After all, haven’t we already resolved to “reduce vouchers by at least 10% per year with no result??? After all, haven’t we already heard that: “There is no compelling reason to change!” … not even spending an extra ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!! Besides, we have our Middletown Public Housing Authority overseeing the program now, with City Council watching over them!!! What could possibly go wrong with a set-up like that???

 

Now, let us go back and address that long list of “different” items that is actually just THREE:

A. New development, redevelopment, economic development, and expanding economic development.

People, call this whatever you like. Rename it as often as you like. Doing so may make you feel like you are doing something, but you are not!!! All you are doing is enabling the ostriches to think all is well. What we really need is JOBS!!! Please use your heads for something besides hat racks!!! It is NOT the economic development, but the JOBS that accompany the economic development for which we are desperate!!!

WE NEED PAYROLL!!! That is the fuel that drives the economic engines of a healthy city!!! And LISTEN UP, ‘cause I’m gonna tell you AGAIN: NOT just those high-falutin’ high-tech, medical, professional, big-shot, artsy-fartsy, type jobs but also lots of those skilled and semi-skilled, blue-collar, decent paying, family raising, factory and building and trades jobs. We have thousands of people in this town that can do those jobs, and OUR school system is turning out (or dropping out) about another thousand every year!!! They aren’t going away, they can’t go away, they have nowhere to go, and they can’t afford to get there!!! So, we are just going to have to bring jobs to the area for them, if we EVER expect those upper class folks that you so desperately want to rub elbows with to settle in around here!!!

And guess what??? Once we bring those jobs, and those folks PAY taxes (instead of living off the taxes of others), then we solve item:

B. New taxes, long-term sources of income, fiscal prudence, and finances.

Because call item B what ever makes you “feel good”, they are all the SAME!!

And more of item B is the only thing that will solve item:

C. New streets, infrastructure, and rebuilding infrastructure.

Ever since 2007, council and sub-committees of council have been calling for “a plan” to address our failing streets!!! It is now 2010, and we have yet to see a plan!!! Yes, we have seen a nice, marked-up, color-coded map of which streets needed what in 2007 (which is moot now) but NEVER A PLAN to actually accomplish ANYTHING!!! And guess what, Sherlock?? Except for begging for a few federal bucks, or an uprising of the citizenry DEMANDING that CDBG funds be used, we’re never gonna have a viable plan unless we bring in JOBS and create taxpayers!

(And the citizens SHOULD rise up and DEMAND that CDBG funds be used for streets!! A pox on your precious special interests and beautification projects!!! There is nothing beautiful about bone-jarring streets littered with blown-out tires and pieces and parts of cars!!)

In summary, if our city leaders want to meet every year to have coffee and donuts, or even a scrumptious brunch with caviar and champagne, I don’t really care--knock yourselves out!! But don’t show up afterwards and report to the citizens how “pleased” you are that you were able to work hard and identify “new” goals” for the year that are nothing more than the same, old, tired, ignored goals from years gone-by, re-named using some trendy new buzzwords!!!

Have a social hour and allow me to “identify” the urgent, NEW, goals for the next several years for you:

1. Identify methodology for the implementation of means to assure the protection of the general populace, whether in normal or abnormal times, from harm, injury, disease or other risk to their persons or property whether intentional or accidental. (Or you could just say “Public Safety”.)

2. Consider matrices sufficient to integrate the various socio-economic strata indigenous to existing or expanded corporation limits, in a manner capable of stabilizing wide-ranging possible sets of both those strata and an unknown number of unidentified imported variables, with the goal of attaining a satisfactory equilibrium. (Or you could just say “economic development to bring jobs and increase the tax base”.)

3. Program a sufficient arrangement of all elements necessary to accomplish the renewal, refurbishment, or replacements of all facilities, services, and installations needed for the functioning of our community, including but not necessarily limited to, such items as transportation and communications systems, water and power lines, storm sewer lines, separate sanitary sewer systems, curbs, gutters, pavements, sidewalks, overpasses, underpasses, bridges, headwalls, manholes, catch basins, other water retention systems and devices, including all ancillary facilities necessary for control of any items mentioned, all whether underground, at-grade or overhead, and all painting, striping, sealing, finishing or like items or goods or services necessary for a complete, finished, functioning community. (Or, you could just say “fix infrastructure.”)

Well, I think that covers everything. (Except that Item 3, from 2007.)

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike let me simplify this for you and everyone else.
 
1)  I want to make $1,000,000.00 in 2010
 
2)  I want to have $1,000,000.00 un sales in Middletown in 2010
 
3)  I want to win $1,000,000.00 in the Ohio Lottery in 2010.
 
All noble causes for me, but I have no plan on how to complete any of them in Middletown.  Pretty much how Middletown City Council and Admin. operate during a retreat each year.  Sounds good at the time, looks good in print and that is about it.  Maybe I'll setup a doggy park in my backyard.
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Exactly, Pacman.
 
But you have to find a trendy new way to say it every year, so that folks will feel warm and fuzzy, knowing that you're "on the job", and you can tell them "how pleased" you are that you were able to work hard and identify those goals!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike are you saying the City Admin has been less than truthful with the citizens by stating that Section 8 would be reduced by 10% a year, about a year ago with no action being taken by Admin or council.  It appears that since a new contract has been issued we will have no further Public Discussion of Section 8 other than the dry and unimpressive reports once a month from Consoc.  How unfortunate for this city once again.

"Section 8??? Sorry, folks!!! We can sit here until the cows come home and CALL it a “top priority”, but until we investigate how and why it “went wrong”, NOTHING is going to change!!! If we do NOT know what is the matter, HOW CAN WE FIX IT??? After all, haven’t we already resolved to “reduce vouchers by at least 10% per year with no result??? After all, haven’t we already heard that: “There is no compelling reason to change!” … not even spending an extra ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!! Besides, we have our Middletown Public Housing Authority overseeing the program now, with City Council watching over them!!! What could possibly go wrong with a set-up like that???"
 
It appears that the Section 8 matter in Middletown is an ideal and classic failure of all Four of the Mayors new standards that all Council members are to sign.  So much for that attempt at Citizen pacification.  Well that was short lived.
 
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Before I speak or act I will ask myself the following four questions:

1.    Is it the truth?  FAILS 
2.     Is it fair to all concerned? FAILS
3.     Will it build goodwill between all concerned? FAILS
4.     Will it be beneficial to all concerned?  FAILS 
 
 
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11 Months ago:
 

Section 8 administrator responds to criticisms

Agency is working with the city on a new contract for Section 8 housing.

By Ed Richter

Staff Writer

Thursday, March 19, 2009

MIDDLETOWN — Responding to various comments recently published in an editorial in The Journal as well as other comments published on its opinion pages, the executive director of CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus said his agency has no associations with the four members of the Middletown City Council who voted to negotiate a contract with CONSOC.

Harrison C. Joseph Sr. told the City Council during the public comments portion of its Tuesday, March 17, meeting that he wanted the public to know CONSOC never paid the council members and that the firm, which administers the city's Section 8 housing choice vouchers program, was not involved in collusion.

Joseph said the firm is working with city departments as they work to negotiate a new contract.

He also said that it was "not appropriate" for the city to include language in the contract to reduce the number of Section 8 vouchers and that it should be in the administrative plan that will be revised.

City officials have recently said they want to reduce the number of vouchers from more than 1,662 to about 800, mainly through attrition.

City Manager Judy Gilleland is anticipating having a contract ready for the City Council's review at its April 7 meeting.

CONSOC, which has been administrating the city's Section 8 program since the early 1990s, was selected by the City Council to renegotiate the contract for those services.

Mayor Larry Mulligan Jr. told Joseph that the city was looking forward to a good working relationship with CONSOC.

Barbara Armentrout, an Orchard Street resident who is on the Section 8 program, expressed concerns about the proposal to reduce the number of Section 8 vouchers in the city. She also said there are still some 500 people on the waiting list seeking the housing vouchers, and added the city and the nation is hurting due to the current economic crisis.

During her report, Gilleland said the negotiations have been "rigorous and lengthy," but that she also was pleased with the progress.

She also pointed out the city has been in communication with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which is the federal department that oversees the Section 8 program.

Gilleland said the city can transfer vouchers out of its jurisdiction and that HUD has agreed to work with the city to have a successful program.

She also said HUD suggested separate meetings when the City Council meets as the city's housing authority in addition to its twice-monthly meetings to handle city business.

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Section 8 contract is nearly complete

City manager reports negotiations with program administrator are going well.

By Ed Richter

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Thursday, March 12, 2009

MIDDLETOWN — A new contract with Middletown's administrator for the Section 8 housing choice voucher program could be ready for City Council to consider by its April 7 meeting.

City Manager Judy Gilleland told the City Council's housing subcommittee at its Wednesday, March 11, meeting that contract negotiations are going well with CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus.

"We've worked through a number of meaty issues that needed to be discussed," she said.

Gilleland said all of City Council makes up the board of the Middletown Public Housing Agency, which CONSOC is hired to administer, and would have to meet regularly and must review the administrative plan once that is completed.

Middletown and Parma, a Cleveland suburb, are the only municipal housing agencies in Ohio. All others are operated as county or regional housing authorities.

Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones said that council is committed to being the local housing authority, and said that City Council will want periodic updates from CONSOC.

Gilleland also reported that the proposed contract includes a provision to reduce through attrition the number of vouchers from the approximately 1,662 to 800.

Gilleland also told the subcommittee on Wednesday that all of the $2.14 million the city received for the Neighborhood Stabilization Program could not go to demolition, as was recently suggested by several council members. She said the city's plan would also have to include some rehabilitation of homes for low- to moderate-income residents.

Doug Adkins, interim community revitalization director, said a firm plan with a clear criteria on demolition should be ready within 90 days.

"This will be data-driven, not by wards, to where things aren't good at all," he said. "We want the best plan for the city of Middletown."

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A challenge for our community

Saturday, December 13, 2008

It didn't take long for critics to latch onto Middletown's dubious inclusion on a list of America's 10 fastest-dying towns this week.

Forbes.com, the online version of the business magazine, ranked Middletown No. 10 on its list and pointed to new U.S. Census Bureau data on household income, poverty rates and education levels as evidence of its conclusions. Bensenville, Ill., topped the list and nearby Kokomo, Ind., was No. 3.

In 50 years, Middletown has gone from winning acclaim as one of the National Civic League's All-America Cities in 1957 to a list of fastest-dying towns. While some may wonder how that happened, the burning question is, what are we going to do about it?

As we've noted in the past, readers shouldn't get overly excited when a publication recognizes Middletown as a good and prosperous place to live — as has occurred in the past — nor should they grow despondent when another publication does a hatchet job. We know our community better than their drive-by observers — so we're modest about the occasional accolades and skeptical of the darts. Especially when they appear to based solely on cold numbers.

Still, it would be an error not to pay close attention to the numbers and what Forbes.com is saying about Middletown. Like many Midwest towns that have tried to weather the wrenching transition from a flourishing industrial past to a service-based economy, Middletown has had more than its share of challenges and setbacks.

But the Census numbers indicate a sharp increase in the poverty rate here since 2000 — from 12 percent to 22 percent in 2007. Those are concerning numbers but we doubt they tell the whole story. As Mayor Larry Mulligan Jr. noted, the year-long lockout at the Middletown Works of AK Steel — a Fortune 500 company, by the way — commenced in March 2006 and surely affected the median household incomes ($37,000 in 2007) and poverty rates found in the latest Forbes report. A city does not bounce back from such a traumatic event overnight.

And Middletown is also paying the price for having enlarged its Section 8 housing-voucher program, which has grown from a $2.47 million venture to a $9.64 million program in eight years. The number of housing-assistance vouchers for low-income families and individuals has grown from 767 to 1,663, giving Middletown a disproportionate share of Butler County's poor. In fact, Middletown has far more vouchers than the entire remainder of Butler County, which has less than 1,000 — what City Manager Judy Gilleland has called "an imbalance." Do you think those numbers might have affected Middletown's poverty rate?

Earlier this year, Gilleland was delicately trying to tell City Council that the city had inadvertently created this imbalance by seeking more vouchers in past years, but her concerns were quickly drowned out by Section 8 residents pleading with council not to curb the program. Discussion soon turned to finding a new manager for the program, not shrinking it.

We'll add here that it's not our intent to blame Section 8 housing for those dismal numbers. Instead, we would just remind city leaders that they should be prepared for such glum rankings periodically if they consciously intend to allow the number of vouchers to grow, or to stay the same.

The challenge here is to actively define the kind of community Middletown wants to be in the future, instead of passively allowing others to define us. We were encouraged by the development of the city's new comprehensive master plan a couple of years ago, but were discouraged to watch council members quiz Gilleland earlier this year about how the number of Section 8 vouchers grew — in her words — "without a conscious conversation with council." We're glad she has called that lapse to council's attention.

Unfortunately, the Forbes.com ranking will not be an easy label to shake off. Already this week, a Monroe councilman was citing the report as that council decided to drop out of the local Chamber of Commerce. And a businessman's attorney, Greg Pratt (himself a former Middletown council member), mentioned the ranking at a City Planning Commission meeting when his client's request was rejected. And these won't be the last times we hear the Forbes report mentioned.

But we are encouraged that Middletown has a brighter future than Forbes apparently sees, and a new generation of leaders has emerged that is serious about improving the community and not living in its past. Most encouraging of all is the development of the Interstate 75 exchange, where the new Atrium Medical Center sits and holds promise as a new economic engine for the community, and the many accompanying educational opportunities for residents.

And like other older communities that have seen many of their residents sprawl into new, shiny subdivisions in other bedroom communities, Middletown remains surrounded by prospering neighbors and will ultimately benefit from the convergence of the Cincinnati and Dayton metropolitan areas along the I-75 corridor. That growth may be slowed by the current tough economy, but it will come eventually.

So we invite Forbes to come and take another look at our town in a few years. We think they'll find a different Middletown than the one this week's list predicts.

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Last sentence of the article. " So we invite Forbes to come and take a look at our town in a few years. We think they'll find a different Middletown than the one this week's list predicts".

This was written and the prediction was made December 13, 2008. It is now February 6, 2010. In 9 months, it will have been a "few years".

Do you think anything will have changed by December 2010, with Section 8, it's voucher numbers or the town as a whole for that matter for Forbes not to repeat the statement that Middletown is one of the fastest dying cities?

No new jobs to make a difference. No new residents moving in. Businesses leaving. Section 8 still way above the targeted 800 and way more than the 1000 for the rest of Butler County. Council not making an effort to reduce it. Still going with the lower income theme. Folks looking for a reason to leave. It ain't a pretty scene.

No..... no new improvements here.
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Section 8 negotiations proceeding

By Ed Richter | Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:15 PM

Middletown city officials are continuing its contract negotiations with CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus who was selected to continue as the Section 8 housing choice vouchers administrator.

In her weekly update to City Council, City Manager Judy Gilleland said the city has ” been making very good progress with CONSOC on the new contract. We have agreement on most of the procedural items; we are still negotiating the CONSOC fee.”

Gilleland said her “intention was to have a fixed fee for the contract thus not providing an incentive for CONSOC to increase the number of vouchers. After conversations with CONSOC, we are willing to consider a fee based upon the number of vouchers.

While the city is willing to consider a fee based on the number of vouchers, Gilleland said the city is also including language in the proposed contract to reduce the number of vouchers by 10 percent a year until there is a total of 800 vouchers from the current 1,662 vouchers.

Gilleland said, “the reduction would only be through attrition - as voucher holders left the program, their voucher would be given back to HUD (the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development).”

She said HUD could reassign those vouchers to Butler or Warren County, but also said the city is more concerned about ensuring our program is under control. While this language of intent to reduce is included in the contract, Council will need to also discuss as the Housing Authority while reviewing the Administrative Plan, she said.

So what do you think? Do you think this is the best way to reduce the number of Section 8 housing choice vouchers? If not, how would you resolve this issue?

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Does Section 8 help or hurt city?

In the past 10 years, residents using the program have more than doubled.

By Ed Richter, Staff Writer
1:02 AM Sunday, July 19, 2009

MIDDLETOWN — While the term “Section 8” may evoke different ideas in the minds of Middletonians, it is a public program meant to provide rent subsidies for low- to moderate-income families to live in safe, decent and clean housing.

Its roots date back to the federal laws enacted during the Great Depression, and now Section 8 also includes programs that provide housing assistance to the elderly and disabled in public and private complexes and rental houses.

Jim Cunningham of the Cincinnati office of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, said the “tenant-based program allows people to rent on the open market. The tenant pays 30 to 40 percent of the rent.”

Cunningham said tenants pay their portion to the landlord while the housing authority pays the difference in the rent for units that must meet HUD housing quality standards.

According to HUD regulations, there is no limit on how long a person may keep a voucher, so long as the income limits — no more than 50 percent of the median income for the county or city — are not exceeded.

Also, the vouchers are portable and can be used anywhere in the United States.

HUD spends more than $16.8 billion annually on the housing choice program that nationally assists more than 1.4 million households.

Growth of Section 8

The 1,662 housing choice vouchers assigned to the Middletown Public Housing Authority represent about 7 percent of the city’s households.

As of Wednesday, July 15, there were 1,576 active vouchers in use, according to the city’s Community Revitalization Department.

While it has been proposed to reduce the number of vouchers to about 800 through attrition, Middletown City Council has not moved forward with the proposal.

“I believe that the Section 8 program is a good program that benefits people in need,” said City Manager Judy Gilleland. “We need to ensure that Middletown residents have access to affordable housing, and Section 8 vouchers help to that end.”

Middletown, along with Parma, are the only two municipally run public housing agencies in Ohio. Throughout the rest of the state, public housing is overseen by county or multicounty housing authorities.

Lucrative leases

In its 2009 budget, the city projected to receive more than $11.75 million in federal funding for the Section 8 voucher program.

The number of vouchers in Middletown has more than doubled from 767 in 2000 to 1,662 in 2009. In federal funding, that has grown from $2.47 million in 2000 that is pumped into the city’s economy.

The program is big business for local landlords, with some owning as many as 20 to more than 40 rental units.

Housing ‘imbalance’

In 2008, Gilleland proposed transferring the 30-year-old program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority because the city was not equipped to administer the complex program.

She also cited the imbalance of Section 8 housing vouchers in Middletown compared to Butler County, which has just under 1,000.

Middletown holds more than 50 percent of the housing choice vouchers in Butler County, yet the city only represents about 15 percent of the county’s population. The city’s poverty rate also nearly doubled the past eight years from 12 to 22 percent.

She said the city in the past acquired vouchers “without a conscious conversation with Council.”

City staff in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 wrote letters of support in applications seeking an additional 790 vouchers. The applications were prepared by CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus, which has managed the program for the past 19 years. Council gave its approval as part of its annual consolidated plan sent to HUD.

Although City Council capped the number of vouchers at 1,554, HUD also converted 108 site-based units to the housing choice program, which increased the total to its current level at 1,662 vouchers.

Addressing issues

“The city of Middletown has experienced issues with Section 8 housing,” Gilleland said. “The city wasn’t doing its due diligence with housing inspections and criminal activity among the residents of Section 8 residents.”

In May, City Council ratified a new three-year contract with CONSOC, and both are now working on updating the administrative plan and policies to ensure there is quality housing and to curtail criminal activity, Gilleland said. Some tenants involved in criminal activity already have lost vouchers.

“We’ve tightened up the provisions ... and we’re confident that there will be major improvements in the Section 8 program in the very near future,” she said. “In fact, we’ve seen some positive changes already.”

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Putting aside all the accusations of good ol' boys, inside profiteers, secret societies, and seances at Kohler's house, what are some legitimate reasons for maintaining the Section 8 status quol? Just playing devil's advocate.  I started wondering if one thought is what good is it to run a few hundred Section 8 folks out of town -- where are we then? You would still have an overabundance of poor housing stock, still have low income renters taking their place, etc.  Without jobs and other reasons for people of middle income and up to move here, are we left in the same place?  Could it be a legimate thought that a drastic reduction in Section 8 will do nothing to improve the town and the City might as well work on getting some industries in here and worry about Section later?  Confused

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So your premise Bill is to continue on with excessive Section 8, a high poverty rate, poor schools, rising crime and hope that 5 Industrial Businesses are going to come in here and hire say 400 people each and bring our unemployment rate down to about 4.3% with high paying jobs and benefits.
 
So playing devils advocate:
 
Where are you going to find these 5 businesses?
 
Where are you going to put these plants?
 
How many tax breaks and special deals are we going to have to give?
 
Why would these industries move to Middletown when there are far more fertile grounds close by?
 
When looking at the issues that Middletown faces you will attract the Tech jobs along I-75 but most of those people will live elsewhere along I-75 not in Middletown.
 
Bill all of the main issues lead to one single issue in Middletown a socioeconomic imbalance.  
 
High Poverty
Excessive Section 8
Poor performing schools
Crime
Retail and Service businesses closing or leaving town.
A city which spends an inordinate amount of time and money dealing with the above  issues while the rest of the city suffers.
 
Bill you have to take a stand and make some hard decisions and move forward.  Are the problems going to go away in the blink of an eye no, but if you do not start somewhere and take the steps needed to bring back the Middle Class to Middletown, this city is doomed and you might as well tear down the signs now and bury it, as we are all just wasting our money, time and effort on a City that will never survive by just sitting and hoping something is going to come along.  If you don't change your ways you are destine for continued failure. 
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I agree with you..we all agree.  What I'm asking for is what possible legitimate reason could there be for continuing status quo, other than administration fees.  I'm just looking to try to view this problem from the city and council's side, just for sh*ts and giggles.
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Perhaps the fault is mine for not taking the time to explain in a manner that could be clearly understood???
 
From my 12:46 pm post (the originaal post in this thread):
 
Section 8??? Sorry, folks!!! We can sit here until the cows come home and CALL it a “top priority”, but until we investigate how and why it “went wrong”, NOTHING is going to change!!! If we do NOT know what is the matter, HOW CAN WE FIX IT??? After all, haven’t we already resolved to “reduce vouchers by at least 10% per year with no result??? After all, haven’t we already heard that: “There is no compelling reason to change!” … not even spending an extra ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!! Besides, we have our Middletown Public Housing Authority overseeing the program now, with City Council watching over them!!! What could possibly go wrong with a set-up like that???
 
If it was "good ol' boys, inside profiteers, secret societies, and seances at Kohler's house"; or if it was something in the water, a mind control trick by the Bilderbergs, a communist plot, George W. Bush or Barack Obama; or if it was a result of past Bengals' drafts, the Reds' farm program, the lack of a local hockey program, a glitch in Title IX sports legislation, or the demise of the Cincinnati Royals; or if it was acid rain, global cooling, global warming, greenhouse gasses or iron-poor blood; or if it was the Catholics, the Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus, or the Baptists; or if it was a favor for a friend, an improperly supervised city employee, an overworked supervisor, a rogue employee or a bad contractor;  or if it was a misdemeanor, a felony, misfeasance, malfeasance, non-feasance, or a simple mistake...no matter WHAT it was...until we investigate how and why it “went wrong”, NOTHING is going to change!!! If we do NOT know what is the matter, HOW CAN WE FIX IT??? 
 
Just as importantly, how will we stop it from happening again???
 
And it ought to be apparent to everyone by now, that we do NOT know WHAT it was, nor HOW  nor WHY it "went wrong"!!!  So how, pray tell, can we fix it???
 
Anyone???
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Middletown Journal
March 12, 2009
by Eddie Richter
 

Doug Adkins, interim community revitalization director, said a firm plan with a clear criteria on demolition should be ready within 90 days.

"This will be data-driven, not by wards, to where things aren't good at all," he said. "We want the best plan for the city of Middletown."

Doug, we are still waiting for your data-driven demoliton "firm plan."
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Originally posted by Bill Bill wrote:

Pac,
I agree with you..we all agree.  What I'm asking for is what possible legitimate reason could there be for continuing status quo, other than administration fees.  I'm just looking to try to view this problem from the city and council's side, just for sh*ts and giggles.
 
Bill there is no legitimate reason to destroy a city in this manner, for Administrative fees.  Not one other city in Ohio has done what Middletown has and continues to do as far as Section 8 is concerned.
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Mike
Haven’t you been paying attention?
City Council clearly stated that "they were asleep at the wheel".
Doesn’t that answer all the question that you might have about Section 8 over the past 10 years?

 



 

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