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409 is always on the case. That doesn't look good.
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heard that the city will try to secure the walls from collapse at a temp fix cost of approx.$75,000
may work--may not
expensive band-aid if it doesn't last long, or storms cause more roof damage
 
bad situation concerning Wausau
 
but we knew for a long while that these buildings had to come down
and we have many more somewhat similar
they won't be getting any more secure
 
tough hit--and maybe more tough hits to come

 
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Holy Crap, that building needs to come down but the estimate $500k to $1m seems way too high.

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What is the bad situation concerning Wausau?
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Originally posted by Wots Wots wrote:

What is the bad situation concerning Wausau?

The “bad situation” is that Wausau is expecting a piece(s) of equipment to arrive by rail.  It must arrive using the track that you can see in the lower left-hand corner of the picture on the left above.  The railroad won’t use the track while there is danger that the building might collapse on the train as it passes by.

The city has decided it must temporarily shore up/stabilize the building so that the railroad can deliver the piece of equipment.  It estimates that this will cost about $75 thousand.  The city will then get bids to demolish the building.

What might make more sense (and probably be cheaper) depending upon the particulars, would be to transfer the load from the rail car before it crosses Verity Parkway.  One would think that there are contractors at AK with a hydraulic crane and the rigging capabilities to do this for less than the cost of temporarily shoring/stabilizing the Orman building.  Then the savings can go towards the costs of demolishing the structure.

From what I can see with Google maps, the rail siding doesn’t go into any structures on the Wausau property, so they’ll have to have the same/similar equipment and rigging crew  standing by to off-load the shipment when it arrives anyway.  Seems like a no-brainer, but I don’t have all the facts.  Just the musings of an ol’ construction man…

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 409 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 11 2012 at 12:43pm
I agree with Mike P. The railroad spur also feeds the city water treatment plant, however chemicals can be trucked in until the building  issue is resolved (if they aren't already).
The $75,000 may bring down or come close to bringing down the easternmost leg of the "H" shaped building closest to the tracks.
From this low-res image the roof is gone from that section. Also some large wood beams may be salvageable. I was in that building years ago when it was Water Refining, but just don't remember. This view is looking west to show the proximity of the track to the building.
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Hire a company to demolish the building into a pile of crap, let the train come in, make it's delivery, then haul away the pile of crap. 

End of story.

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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

Hire a company to demolish the building into a pile of crap, let the train come in, make it's delivery, then haul away the pile of crap. 

End of story.

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It is likely that the wing of the building nearest the track can’t be demolished in time.

However, the same equipment and manpower required to offload the machinery from the rail car and move it into place once it reaches the Wausau property, can likely be used to offload it and move it the few blocks from across the street from the Orman building to the Wausau property.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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A view looking north. Didn't look from this angle before.
The fenced in recess off of Broad St. appears to be an impound lot?
 
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All so sad! Anyone know anything about that history of the building?
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Funny how funds can be raised quickly to fix or demolish the Sonshine and Ormans buildings while it took several years to fix the vault at the Middletown cemetary
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Apparently the city is going ahead with their more expensive plan (according to the latest story in The Middletown Journal).

In retrospect, I should have had a city hall insider suggest off-loading the Wausau equipment across the street from the Orman building.  I should have known that they would never have considered a suggestion from a mere common citizen.  In their eyes, what could a mere citizen possibly know?  As with the removal of the roof over City Centre mall, they simply snicker and say “you don’t understand…go sit down”.

If I would’ve convinced Jim Verdin’s son-in-law or Ms. Bober to suggest it, it would have been a wonderful idea and we could’ve saved thousands of dollars.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Second city-owned building found crumbling

By Michael D. Pitman

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MIDDLETOWN —

A second city-owned vacant downtown building in as many months has partially crumbled due to apparent deterioration.

Last week, the Manchester Inn’s Sonshine building, 101 N. Main St., had bricks fall from its facade onto the sidewalk. Access near the building on North Main Street and Manchester Avenue has been blocked by an orange plastic safety fence.

“The structure of the building is fine, just the brick facade has come loose,” said Doug Adkins, Middletown community revitalization director.

However, the future stability of the building is in question, he said.

“The condition of the metal lintels and mortar joints makes it impossible to know the stability of the remaining facade,” Adkins said.

Contractors removed loose brick from the building’s facade this past weekend. However, he said metal lintels — load-bearing building components — above the windows on building’s second floor are deteriorating and rusty, and mortar joints were inspected and also found to be deteriorating.

The sidewalk next to the building has been blocked from pedestrian access because “high winds or other conditions may trigger further collapse of the weakened facade presenting a hazard to anyone occupying the area below,” Adkins said.

Last week the city hired Vickers Wrecking to stabilize the partially collapsed wall and roof of the Orman building, 500 N. Verity Parkway. City officials were notified on July 27 of the partial roof collapse at the northwest wing of the city-owned building. Debris fell from the side of the building — which the walls are protruding — onto the adjacent railroad track.

The roof is apparently pushing on the building’s exterior walls, Adkins told city council last week.

Issues with the Orman building are forcing the city to raze the building sooner than anticipated, and could cost between $500,000 to $1 million, said City Manager Judy Gilleland. She said this would “wipe out” one of the city’s last remaining downtown project funds, but city staff is looking for grants to help offset some of the cost.

The fate of the Sonshine building, and how much that fate will cost the city, is being discussed, Adkins said.

“We are still looking at what the options are, possible risk and benefit of each option and then gathering costs and source of funding,” he said.

The city will likely address the Orman building’s issues before rendering a decision on the Sonshine building.

Bid packets are being prepared to be sent out to potential companies that would be interested in razing the Orman building. Packets had been sent out, but Adkins said they were pulled and reconfigured to reflect the stabilization work to be done this week. A date to open the bids has not yet been set.

 

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Do ya suppose the MMFer's are going to friend city hall back $75,000 to help take care of this? Wink
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Originally posted by arwendt arwendt wrote:

All so sad! Anyone know anything about that history of the building?
The following is courtesy of a post on a Facebook page about memories of Middletown.  The poster cautioned that, while some of it is from reference material, other parts are from memory and may not be completely accurate:
The building in question known as the Orman Building was originally owned and occupied by Water Refinning. When they went out sometime in the 80's it was purchased by Eddie Orman who intended to use it for storage of his antique cars and other things - maybe even rent some of it out. He built a lavish apartment in the building where he lived till he left and went to Florida. At that time a guy named Scott, who was a friend of the Orman Family took it over to sell used cars out of and also store various things. He did ok for a while and then business started going down hill so on December 17, 2002, Orman Enterprises sold it to Great Miami Real Estate for $400,000. I don't know what they intended to do with the property. On June 24, 2009 Great Miami Real Estate sold it to the State of Ohio for an undisclosed price. On August 25, 2009. the State of Ohio sold it to the City of Middletown, also for an undisclosed price. It was the City's intent to use it for storage of old city property, repossed cars and other recovered stolen property they no longer wanted to keep at the city building property room (storage room).
 
 
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Thanks Mr. Presta!
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Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by arwendt arwendt wrote:

All so sad! Anyone know anything about that history of the building?
The following is courtesy of a post on a Facebook page about memories of Middletown.  The poster cautioned that, while some of it is from reference material, other parts are from memory and may not be completely accurate:
The building in question known as the Orman Building was originally owned and occupied by Water Refinning. When they went out sometime in the 80's it was purchased by Eddie Orman who intended to use it for storage of his antique cars and other things - maybe even rent some of it out. He built a lavish apartment in the building where he lived till he left and went to Florida. At that time a guy named Scott, who was a friend of the Orman Family took it over to sell used cars out of and also store various things. He did ok for a while and then business started going down hill so on December 17, 2002, Orman Enterprises sold it to Great Miami Real Estate for $400,000. I don't know what they intended to do with the property. On June 24, 2009 Great Miami Real Estate sold it to the State of Ohio for an undisclosed price. On August 25, 2009. the State of Ohio sold it to the City of Middletown, also for an undisclosed price. It was the City's intent to use it for storage of old city property, repossed cars and other recovered stolen property they no longer wanted to keep at the city building property room (storage room)
This is paritally correct.  The building was not originally owned by Water Refining.  They moved in in the 1960s.  The building was orignally Advance Bag Company.  Here are some details:
 
Mark Albert Thomas, president of the Wardlow-Thomas Pper Company, was also an organizer of the Advance Bag Company with the late James Lawrence, before the turn of the century in 1889.
 
They later sold their interests to the Col. M. W. Renick in 1906 who became the president of the concern and led it to great success. At some point firm relocated to Lousiana and became now known as the Southern Advance Bag Company.
 
The Advance Bag Company site still stands and is known as the Orman Building. Eversharp Incorporated took over the building in 1947 and in 1963 the Water Refining Company relocated here.
 
Thomas' survivors have long history with Middletown and included: one daughter, Mrs. Margaret Crane of South Main Street; two sisters Mrs. M. T. Barnitz and Mrs. C. E. Woodward, of the family residence, four grandchildren, William Crane of Huntington, Long Island, Mrs. William Crawford, Mrs. James Martindale, and Mrs. Ames Gardner, all of Middletown.
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The only that matters is the last Entity holding the bag, and that would be The City Of Middletown.

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Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

The only that matters is the last Entity holding the bag, and that would be The City Of Middletown.

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Agreed!!!  But Mr. Wendt asked about the history of the building.  I had recently read a post on facebook about exactly that so I tried to accomodate him.
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